NCsoxfan

Would anyone do Q for Clint Frazier & Torres?

New Fangraphs article on why the price for Quintana should still be "sky high" http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-price-f...so-be-sky-high/

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:31 AM) Quintana and Frazier (either as 1B or 3B) for Martes, K. Tucker, P. Tucker, Reed, and Fisher. Who says no? That sounds like a ton. I can't see that happening even though I'd love it.

Word this morning that the Nats package included Giolito, Robles, AND Lopez

QUOTE (HeGone7 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 09:27 PM) Is this true? I was watching mlbnetwork and I believe what they said was this was the offer from Saturday from Boston. I may have misunderstood, I'll say that, but I'm pretty sure that was what they said. I was under the understanding that last night's talks with the Nats pushed Boston to "step up" ala Heyman'a tweets

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 06:53 PM) Passan said teams are offering about 95% of the Sale deal for Q, so... I find that hard to believe considering the Red Sox didn't include Moncada until today

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:35 PM) We got a few good prospects but this deal falls far short of what a good GM could get for Sale. They better be sure Moncada is a future all-star or this is one of the worst trades in franchise history. Ok but make up your mind, that's a different argument & obviously there's no counterfactual so you have no clue what your arbitrary "good GM" could've gotten. Versus losing Sale for nothing this obviously makes us better in year 4+. Next three years we likely lose the deal unless Sale gets hurt.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:08 PM) Bad sign. But don't try to convince any of the people here who want to blow it all up just because that we got poor value. Watch us end up worse off than before in 4 years with no trade pieces. This makes no sense. If we end up worse than we are now in 4 years it's not because of this trade as Sale only has 3 years left on his deal & if he's great in 3 years he's gone. The whole point of the trade is to NOT be better now, but to be better in years 4+

Keith Law is GLOWING in talking about the White Sox return. Here's part of what he said on Kopech "He missed some time in 2015 after a PED suspension, and then missed the start of 2016 after breaking his hand in an altercation with a teammate where, according to folks I’ve asked who know the full story, he was doing the right thing with the wrong result. When I saw him in October, I thought he was a potential ace who could have three plus pitches, and that’s before he went to the White Sox, who have a pretty good track record in getting the most out of athletic starters."

Tbh, it is possible we could still be contending while Q is under contract. Unless I'm blown away with an offer, I'm not so sure it makes sense to rush into selling Q. I would probably be interested in a Robles/Reynaldo Lopez ++ package, but it's a gamble. More incentive IMO to hang on to Q.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:41 PM) To be completely honest, I always envisioned the Sox getting a bigger package in return if they ever traded Sale. I guess it was unrealistic. Moncada is fantastic, it's just that this feels a little top heavy. I thought there would be more depth. That doesn't make this a bad trade, just not the "blow your socks off" kind. Sherman said he surveyed 4 execs and all said both sides did well & it was fair.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:56 PM) There is a good chance that if you throw out both Kopech and Moncada, that Basabe is the Sox #1 prospect, or damned close to it. Agree, hilarious to see people crapping on Basabe given he's the THIRD piece of the deal.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:49 PM) Low ball Toolsy position player that doesn't quite have the numbers to back up the hype? I bet he totally makes it with the Sox. As the third piece to the deal? Heck yeah

6. Luis Alexander Basabe, OF DOB: 08/26/1996 Height/Weight: 6’0” 160 lbs. Bats/Throws: S/R Drafted/Acquired: Signed August 2012 out of Venezuela for $450,000 2015 Stats: .243/.340/.401, 7 HR, 15 SB in 256 PA at short-season Lowell Future Tools: 60 speed, 60 glove, 55 arm, 50+ power Role: 50+—Solid-average regular in center field So, this is aggressive. Again. Basabe’s numbers weren’t terribly impressive, but the tools he showed (at times) sure as hell were. He’s got plus bat speed from both sides of the plate, and while there’s more present power from his natural right side, there’s enough strength to project above-average power from both sides of the plate. He’s shown the willingness to take a walk, but more than that, he’s able to work counts into his favor. While this puts him in a position to maximize his hit tool, the length in his swing pairs with those deep counts to result in plenty of strikeouts. He’s a plus runner who gets good jumps when attempting steals, so this could be a 30-plus stolen base player. Basabe is far more advanced defensively, and you could argue this is the best outfield glove in the system, even over the solid Benintendi. He’s not quite as efficient with his routes, but he’s more athletic and has a stronger arm. It’s strong enough that he could handle right field without any issues whatsoever. There’s lots of work to be done, but if everything goes right he’ll be another Boston player who you’d love to hit near the top of the lineup. It’s really not fair, is it? Bret Sayre’s Fantasy take: Somewhere, Wilson Karaman is maniacally laughing. Basabe is intriguing as an upside play and a potential power/speed outfielder in the mold of what some of us (cough, cough) thought Jake Marisnick might be on his way to becoming. He’s too raw to throw numbers on right now, but he’s a risk worth taking if you’re short-season diving. Major League ETA: 2019 Basabe looks pretty good to me!

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:12 PM) HES DEALT SALE TO RED SOX FOR MONCADA KOPECH AND TWO PROSPECTS

HES DEALT SALE TO RED SOX FOR MONCADA KOPECH AND TWO PROSPECTS

This is now too far down the road for the Sox to pull back. I just can't see them going to spring training with Sale on the roster. He's going to be dealt guys (captain obvious I know)

QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:52 PM) Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 28s28 seconds ago Want to make this clear: #Nationals are not out on Sale. But #RedSox appear stronger at moment. Screw the Nationals. I hate their team, their GM, and their prospects with the exception of Robles.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:53 PM) I'm praying that the Sox won't be so stupid. But I'll believe it when I see it. Benintendi PLEASE Would love Benintendi too, but would take a package of Devers/Moncada/Kopech/Basabe in a heartbeat

Rosenthal: Multiple sources now indicate Red Sox have built momentum in a deal for Sale

Rosenthal: Red Sox remain squarely in the mix for Sale, along with the Nationals

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:33 PM) Gio Gonzalez, right? Not Giolito? Ha, sorry. Shouldve specified that it's Gio Gonzalez.

Rumors of the Nats trading Gio to the Yankees. Maybe Rizzo needs the prospects to complete the Sale trade.

Someone email Hahn that article on Giolito from Fangraphs (only partially kidding)

Wow. Brew crew got Dubon, Shaw, and Pennington for that reliever Dubon had sick stats at AA - could be a starting SS/2B somewhere in a few years