Greg Hibbard

Yes, but extrapolating his 2009 to 600 PAs you still come in at a 1.65 WAR - is that acceptable to you for a starter? also, that 162 game 4 WAR campaign included 3 home runs, 12 triples (to lead the league) and 45 stolen bases. Are you suggesting that Nick is capable of any or all of those feats? To key off of similar stats to what you mentioned consider Adam Dunn’s 23 year old season - .215 batting average, 27 home runs, 469 PAs, 1.7 WAR. He had a ton of walks which made his obp .350. I know you said less home runs but Adam Dunn has an atrocious batting average in that line and was still able to easily generate plenty of WAR. Madrigal is actually exactly my cup of tea....I love his game...if he has just a LITTLE more pop (3-4 homers, 8-10 triples) I fear he is a 0 home runs, 2 triples, 15 doubles, 140 singles with about 40 walks player...the value in creating runs from that stat line seems problematic.

Counterpoint: It’s perfectly legit for White Sox fans who had to suffer through late career Juan Pierre to wonder whether a .300 hitter without much in the wheels, power, or defense department might be a liability. Pierre hit .308 with a .370 OBP in 2009 for the dodgers just before coming to the Sox and it was a whopping 1.2 WAR. When he became a .280/.340 hitter for the Sox, he dipped into 0/negative WAR territory. I think Madrigal has upside and I’m excited about him on this team but BA is not the greatest measure here. His ceiling without power, wheels, or defense is not much higher than his high floor.

Maybe, but IMO WAR and RC+ are definite measures that are indicative of his value vs a typical player who would replace him. Personally I think this will be a season long debate given Nick’s bizarre skill set.

In the 15 games prior to Kopech’s planned short start, by my math White Sox starters have thrown 84 1/3 innings, an average of 5 2/3rds per start. In 4 of those games pitched, there were only 8 innings of Sox pitching during road losses, so the total number of innings was only 131, so Sox starters had thrown 64% of the innings pitched this season. Yes the last couple days have taken a toll on that. However, overall that feels fine and I would bet a high percentage compared to other teams, but I haven’t researched further. This whole thing today felt like another excuse for TLR to go recklessly old school/gimmicky on us.

I guess the thing that makes me mad about this is we have Rodon going tomorrow coming off of pitching a nearly perfect game, Cleveland’s offense is scuffling this season and yet we are treating this bullpen with kid gloves. Why? Rodon can go deep tomorrow. All of our starters can go deep.

look I get the intention to concede the game and not tax the pen, but why risk injury? These guys don’t know how to field the position and pitching is unnatural to them at this stage of their career. I know it’s “part of the game” or whatever but I don’t think pitching should be something that you just throw a position player into on a whim. Heuer last pitched Friday, why not throw him 1 inning? Bummer threw 1 inning this series, why not throw him?

This is getting stupid

How can he enter the game at a position after starting at DH?

What you guys are forgetting about is Yermin’s impending 5/5 5HR game

Did I mention I have excellent timing?

I hate to rain on your parade guys, but if we get out of the first inning down 4-1, it turns out we are still in this game

This is just kind of weird. Maybe it’s the 6am start

Could he start Wednesday with the pitch limit he was on today?

Is that the very worst thing Leury could have done? Yes, it was.

He has 0.5 bWAR through 40 games, a pace of 2.0+ per 162. As long as he makes improvement enough to get to 2.5/162 I’m good. I think he can get there.

I don’t know how you throw a strike to Ramirez in that situation.

Lighten up, Francis. “Fan” is short for “fanatic,” and we are on an internet message board for the most ardent White Sox fans. The baseball decisions have been atrocious, and we fans have a right to be angry. Live with it. I’m angry too, and I have every reason to believe this season is long, and that talent will rise to the top. This team could still win 90 games despite his managing errors. However, the in game decisions TLR has made show a sincere lack of current baseball acumen, a desperate lack of awareness of his current players and the matchups, and a lack of knowledge of how the game has changed. It’s brutal, and in the postseason, where margins are razor thin, any AL manager will make TLR2021 look like Jerry Manuel getting lapped by Sweet Lou back in 2000. There’s no rhythm to this team right now, and baseball is a game where good teams thrive on rhythm and knowing their roles. Nobody has any fucking idea what their roles are. Nobody has any idea when to expect to be in the lineup or where they will hit. Nobody really knows what the sequence of the bullpen is. It’s worrisome as hell. We are one of 30 teams at the very top of this sport in the world. We deserve better than this dogshit. Period.

What’s that old saying again Williams and Lamb...and 4 Martinis, drive the van?

This Williams Lamb fiasco is unforgivable

Nick f****ing Williams

E(a)ton RIFLES! E(a)ton RIFLES!

Cy McKenzie here we go

Why wouldn’t we just start giolito on normal rest and then keuchel on normal rest?

We skipped giolito?

Came in here to post exactly this ?