Greg Hibbard

Yes. I’m hoping the trend continues. I suppose the point that I’m making is that his ability to hit triples and homers as frequently as he recently has been has been the only factor that takes him from borderline replacement to 3.0 WAR player.

In his first 55 ML hits, only 8 were for extra bases. If I change it to 8 extra base hits, with the exact XBH distribution he had over his first stretch (6 2B, 2 3B), he would end up in the scenario with .290/.322/.387/.709 through 400 ABs.

I’ve watched a ton of Sox games this season. Look, I’m a fan of Madrigal, and I believe he will be a very solid major leaguer, but I also believe a scenario where he has a 55 hits in 200 AB stretch with 50 singles, 3 doubles, 1 triple, 1 homer and 6 BB is completely plausible. We just don’t know yet what the frequency of his power will be, and that seems to be the key to understanding his potential. If he did those numbers for his next 200 ABs, it would put his overall slash line for 2021 through roughly 400 PAs at .290/.322/.369/.691, which seems borderline to me. Do you agree?

I don’t know what your problem is with me. I’m not against discussion on Madrigal. I’m not against opinions on Madrigal. I think it’s silly to say he’s a bona fide major leaguer or not this many plate appearances into his career and a lot of folks seem eager to do it. I guess I keep an eye out for you to jump down my throat the next time I make a casual observation.

Nope, not at all. I drafted Madrigal in my fantasy league and have started him from day one. I would love for him to succeed. I thought I was pretty clear, but apparently I was not: I’m on the side of “this sample size is too small to judge.” I don’t understand why everyone is rushing to conclusions. Either way.

Pretty hilarious how people alternately bump this thread to “prove their point” either way every 50 or so at bats he has not yet hit a benchmark that is a meaningful sample size either way, folks

I heard DJ make that reference to Moncada and stolen bases the other day during a radio broadcast, and he seemed to indicate it was an intentional choice. Does Moncada not want to steal bases anymore at all? Does a player get to make that call on their own? Seems strange.

Is Leury the new grinderball poster child for this organization?

Yermin needs a day on the bench. I know yesterday was off, but I think the dude needs a hard reset. He’s been brutal the last week.

I love Ron’s threads about Abreu- everything he writes on this board about him is a treasure. I hope it’s preserved forever so people can laugh at him for decades.

Runs saved seems very situational, doesn’t it? If Madrigal’s defensive range costs a hit on a play where the Sox are up big or down big, it’s seemingly inconsequential to the result. Am I wrong in that assumption?

Another thing regarding Yermin - let's keep in mind where this should be at. Yermin is a career minor leaguer we are asking to plug for Eloy, and so far he's giving us the WAR we need to live without Eloy's production. Yermin has largely been the savior of this season, offensively. Yes, we all fell in love with the myth and the story and the burger but honestly we need him to hit .270 with 25 dongs, and if he does that - jeez guys we are fine. The loss of Robert, on the other hand, is becoming more and more of an existential threat. We have some defensive answers but our bench is way too thin and we have a couple of AAAA players making too many appearances in the lineup on a regular basis.

Why would people take Yermin's sample size from April and say his hot start was meaningless because of his sample size in May....which is the same "meaningless" size? His overall stats are still great, and twice as big as either sample. How about we wait for him to get to 1500 plate appearances like we did with Moncada and then decide if he's good enough? I don't think he's a hall of famer but he's a hell of a lot better than 2011-12 Adam Dunn, 2019 Yonder Alonso, and 2018 Daniel Palka.

Vaughn is getting better and better at LF.

We just need to get back into that pen again today

I don’t think he saw the sign, honestly.

How on earth do you not at least try to pitch around him

Thank god.

This is so dangerous

Is Tony at the bar? Why is Lynn still in?

Man. You forget what a great outfielder defender Leury truly is.

No Jimenez, no Robert, no Abreu and we are absolutely clobbering the twins in every game lately pinch me check that, don’t pinch me

Stone is really going out of his way to complement Yoan tonight. 3 compliments in 2 innings

Eh, Ohtani seems to be on the fast track to MVP anyway

Because how we value players is largely based on WAR and wRC+ and extra base hits are huge in determining that. Even if Madrigal is a .320 lifetime hitter, if he’s one who hits 87% singles, with about 10% doubles and 3% triples, (Madrigals current percentage), that doesn’t generate nearly enough value to outweigh the typical replacement level 2B. Especially if Madrigal only walks 25 times a year. We would be looking at a .320/.355/.355/.710 hitter. Mendick is already a .712 hitter, and it’s not like Madrigal is adding value in defense or baserunning Being able to put the ball in play is only meaningful if you hit an absurdly high average or hit for power or are a decent mix.