Milkman delivers

I'd just like to say that it's not a sure thing that Garland will be our best pitcher at the time that series rolls around.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Aug 24, 2006 -> 11:34 PM) And decresing a ton. Tell that to Bartolo Colon who basically won it off wins, (with his "steller" 3.48 era [close to 4]) whereas Johan Santana was better than him in alomst every other category. I've actually thought alot about Garland winning the Cy Young this season which would be something considering his horrific start this year. IMO, The Cy Young these days are just like the Gold Glove award. For the gold glove they basically see the offense more than the defense and The Cy Young sees more of the wins than the era. If Garland wins about 4-5 more games and gets his era around the early 4's late 3's, he has a great shot. (especially since Liriano is injured, etc..) 3.48 is nowhere near 4 in terms of ERA. And if that's your argument for Garland receiving the Cy Young, then you're really stretching.

QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Aug 24, 2006 -> 08:37 PM) That's way too dismissive considering the guy has a shot at 20 wins, the main thing Cy voters look for in a candidate. When's the last time a Cy Young winner has had an ERA right around 4?

I asked the question, but I didn't start a thread. I couldn't agree more about him starting game 1 if things started today. No chance he gets the Cy Young.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 24, 2006 -> 03:39 PM) Jon Garland is now 33-14 with a 3.92 ERA since opening day 2005, and was 1-0 with a 2.25 ERA in 2 starts in the playoffs last year. Now I'm not picking fights, but if that's not an ace I'm not sure what is. Ehhhhh, a 3.92 ERA is good and all, but that's not "ace" worthy.

QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Aug 24, 2006 -> 03:36 PM) i just want him to keep pitching good and have the other pitchers start pitching at least a little better. All the other pitchers have to do is pitch pretty average the rest of the year. I'm talking about a 4-4.5 ERA for most starts with a couple gems tossed in there.

What a game for Garland. He really is doing exactly what Contreras did last year. And now it's time for Vazquez to ruin all of the momentum that Jon has started yet again.

Please just end it.

QUOTE(Felix @ Aug 24, 2006 -> 02:54 PM) Jason Giambi. Gary Sheffield. There's 2. I wouldn't say Sheffield is more obvious, but Giambi may be. Not many people lose a whole bunch of weight the offseason in which a steroid policy is put in place, like Giambi and I-Rod.

Tiger fans are idiots for saying that. Rodriguez is basically the most obvious former-juicer in baseball.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 24, 2006 -> 05:59 AM) I've been thrilled that he's been as healthy as he has been so far this year. Assuming he wouldn't be out for longer than a week to two weeks, I think it might be just the rest he needs for the rest of the year. I know his numbers have looked good for the last 30 games or so, but I think it's obvious to anyone watching that his bat speed has slowed down. Hopefully he's back on Friday night, and this whole argument is a mute point. I couldn't agree more. It could rest Thome and change the mindset of the offense. Thome used to lead the entire league (or at least be in 2nd) in HR's, but he's a homer by Giambi/Beltran from being in 10th. He's really fallen off that HR pace. He can use a break.

Terrible idea.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 12:08 PM) flashback to '05 during the funk of late August and September. We were all saying the same thing then and they surprised us. Could happen again. I'm in. Pain and suffering are my constant companions. The pitching staff was consistently good last year. This year, it's been bad all the time.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 11:03 AM) What do you mean by this? screwing us over this year = pitching for us

QUOTE(Hangar18 @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 10:38 AM) Last year and this year are too hard to compare. We had a 15 game lead last year. This year, were behind. Exactly. Being complacent with a lead that almost ensures a playoff spot is a little more understandable than seeming complacent when you're fighting for the final playoff spot.

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 10:27 AM) I'll answer this: no. They look like corpses on the field. Very true. They look like they just want to get the games over with.

QUOTE(TLAK @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 07:35 AM) The team reached it's high water mark of 27 over on July 6, for the following 7 weeks they are 6 under. 7 weeks is not just a bad streak that 'everyone' goes through. This is just not playoff caliber baseball, and they have shown me no reason to believe they will turn it around. It's not impossible, but I see no evidence which would lead me to expect it. I'm in as a White Sox fan, follower and devotee. But I'm out as to predicting this group will make the post season. There are 7 weeks left, at the current rate of play they will end up at about 88 wins. A good season but no cigar. That's a pretty damn good way of putting it. QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 09:12 AM) For those questioning, this was not meant as a "are you a fan of the White Sox or not" type of question. It was mainly a "do you still believe we are going post season" type of thing. I'm sure there are diehard fans of teams that are going nowhere still supporting their teams. Belief in a team NOT making it is not saying you are not a fan. If that were true, then you must not have been a fan in 2001 and all the other years the team was going nowhere. I myself have huge doubts they will make it. If they do, it won't be our stellar play that does it, it will be Minnesota and Boston collapsing alongside and allowing us to get in. I haven't seen anything in a long while that makes me believe this team "has it" any more. But that being said, I will be watching every game still, I will be hoping my doubts are false, and I will be trying to get to a few more games this year and I will support the hell out of my team. But common sense tells me to not get my hopes up. Also a good point.

They definitely have a chance, no doubt. It's really hard to see them making too much noise in the playoffs, though. The starters have just not shown us that they can get on any sort of roll. So, I guess I'm in since I feel they can make the playoffs.

Well, I'll get s*** for this, but I don't want him getting hurt for 2 1/2 months of the year trying to make a single play if he comes back to this team. We all love the intensity, yes. But catching a fly ball in the 5th inning just isn't worth sitting out a big percentage of the season.

I understand that Thome has been tremendous for us this year, but it'd be nice if he'd hit a few homers here and there. Seems like he's hit 4 homers in the past month and a half. And Ozzie had a very big role in getting Vazquez on this team (as someone said it was KW who made the move). Of course KW wanted it to happen and worked out the trade, but isn't Ozzie pretty much the guy who talked Javy into screwing us over this year?

One thing I noticed last night. Juan Uribe has 55 RBI's. I may be wrong, but I think I remember him breaking the 50-RBI plateau in Cincy. Has Uribe really gone about two months basically without an RBI? Or was it the 40-RBI plateau that he passed? Another thing, this rotation is anything but inconsistent. They've held us down the entire year. It seems they always do enough to lose. The entire year, this rotation has failed to live up to its expectations. It's maddening. If we don't make the playoffs, it will be 100% on their shoulders (player-wise). And if we lose another game in this series, and then proceed to lose the upcoming series with the Twins, this year just may be over.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 01:06 PM) He didn't start s*** with Lilly, he's trying to talk to his player but Lilly was being a little b**** about it and ended up sucker punching his manager. Didn't someone else say he started shoving Lilly first? And either way, this is two fights in a few weeks. That's a little telling.

The guy has had two fights with his own players in a span of a few weeks. It doesn't just seem that he's an asshole, but that his players think very little of him. And when you're an over-the-hill manager, you probably shouldn't get into fist fights with professional athletes. You get your face busted up that way, and Gibbons learned the hard way.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 11:01 AM) After all, if you go to the park, or watch them on TV, or buy other Sox products, it's YOUR money that you feel like they're stealing. Eggzactly.

This guy sounds like a douchebag. And I hope Soxace is right that Lilly kicked his ass.