Milkman delivers

4.04 - $9,500,000 4.73 - $7,000,000 4.80 - $8,000,000 4.87 - $9,000,000 5.13 - $12,000,000 (ugh) And I'm pretty sure all of them are making more money next year.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 21, 2006 -> 04:59 PM) Im with Milkman here, and thats uncommon. I guess it's because im at the Cell all the time, but im paying to see a win. When the Sox are not playing good baseball, I dont want to go to the park. Its not "entertaining" to watch my team lose.

I'd normally take this loss very badly, but I watched it at a strip club. Well, kinda watched it. It's not easy to stay mad in that kind of environment. One thing I did notice and am pretty upset about is that Contreras' ERA is 4.04 now. That means not a single pitcher in the greatest rotation in baseball history has an ERA under 4. These guys should be arrested for all the money they're stealing.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Aug 21, 2006 -> 04:48 PM) Fathom, I dont know, I never have seen Dick Allen post it and I am not in the business of piggybacking on other peoples arguments. All I can tell you is that last years team had trouble winning when they scored less than 4 runs, and this years team has the same problem. You do not have good odds when scoring that little, even the best pitchers in the game have around 3 era, which means on an average day they give up 3 runs per game. So at 3 runs the best teams should be around .500, as they move towards 4 runs their record should improve drastically. Milkman, You pay for X hours of entertainment. You dont pay for a win. You might. When I go to a game, I go there expecting a win. I pay for X hours of entertainment when I go to Snakes on a Plane. I pay for wins when I go to baseball games.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 21, 2006 -> 04:44 PM) Manny/Ortiz. And yes, he's still right. I was thinking pitching. Thought he meant Schilling/Beckett for some reason

Best 1-2 punch in baseball? Who's that?

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 21, 2006 -> 04:36 PM) Just stop it. Drop it, quit picking for a fight. You know damn well what I meant, and now you're twisting it. If the shoe fits, wear it. If not, go on. That's pretty much what's going on here. I'm not the one who told people not to go to games if they're not going to cheer the proper way. I would call that picking a fight. But, alright. I'll drop it.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Aug 21, 2006 -> 04:35 PM) My comment was posted in general to anyone that posted in this thread and felt that they "no longer could take the pain of being a supporter of a team with the 3rd best AL record and in the lead for the WC." If my comment does not apply to you, then you dont have to worry about it. My problem is that people believe that last year was the norm, not an exception. Last years team happens to a city maybe once, a team that outside of a core of people no one thought would do anything, becomes the best team and basically dominates the playoffs. That is not normal. I just cant stand that people act like they are entitled to be given a winner. I was a Sox fan when they were in 2nd, when they were under .500, no matter what. Your a fan, not because the team owes you anything, but because you want to be. We pay for it. We should get it. It's not like we walk away when they're not winners. We're just upset that we didn't get what we expected.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 21, 2006 -> 04:20 PM) Don't you EVER question me about whether or not I'm a Sox fan. Read between those lines and get it good. And don't respond on here, either. ^^^^^^^ Exactly. Is that going to get me suspended or banned? You said we should stay home if we're going to act the way we do. Well, I'll go. It's only a few blocks away for me, I can walk. I'll go when I damn well please.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 21, 2006 -> 03:03 PM) So a fan is one who s***s all over their team every chance they get, only to come back and say "CROW" when something goes right? Stay home. Well, I'm not going to listen to someone who doesn't even live in the state my team plays in.

Bottom 6TH B:0 S:1 O:1 Boston Red Sox left fielder Manny Ramirez left the game due to an injured leg. Anyone watching? What happened? Also, Sal Fasano's gameday picture looks like Jeffrey Tambor.

The time to savor the world title was the time between the last pitch of the WS and the first pitch of the 2006 season.

Well, in order to get to the Mets, every single MLB team would have to pass on Garcia/Vazquez. I doubt they get by every last team. And to get Milledge, wouldn't he, too, have to pass through waivers?

QUOTE(T R U @ Aug 19, 2006 -> 05:20 PM) MAN I was wondering where the hell Masters went.. he was one of my favorites Didn't you say you like Orton, too? Orton and Masters? That's terrible.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 04:14 PM) Yeah, the three things I'm angry about are: - PK's lack of focus at the plate/in the field in the first 4 innings - Ozzie using Cotts when we're down 2 in the 8th - Our outfield defense continuing to have the baseball IQ of a 5 yr old. See, I like this thread because people are actually making valid points and using statistics/observations instead of just saying "these guys suck, I can't wait until we can unload Vaz/Garcia/Pods for Carl Crawford and Jason Schmidt this offseason". I do miss the days though when it seemed like there was a White Sox Winner thread 70 pct of the time. And the optimists in this thread aren't acting high-and-mighty.

QUOTE(GoRowand33 @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 04:07 PM) when I saw the thread title I thought Milkman made it anyways as long as we stay even with the Tigers and then beat them head to head I think we are ok yes the pitching sucks, but did anyone honestly expect to win today anyways with Johan pitching? QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 04:04 PM) OK, I haven't read this thread yet, but I thought I'd try to lighten the mood for a second. When I saw the name of this thread and then looked at who started it, I was surprised to see it wasn't fathom or myself. QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 04:07 PM) Hell, I'm not even that upset today. Everyone in the world knew that the Sox would lose today. I would have bet my life savings on the Twins today. I'm happy we're still up in the Wild Card. Unless we get more than 1 game behind in the standings, I will always be optimistic (even if I don't express it in my posts). I'm really not mad either. Funny thing is that I seem to be angry when others are calm and vice versa.

After reading it, I agree completely with every last point you made. Welcome to the dark side.

OK, I haven't read this thread yet, but I thought I'd try to lighten the mood for a second. When I saw the name of this thread and then looked at who started it, I was surprised to see it wasn't fathom or myself.

Don Cooper should really be held accountable for how badly our pitching has performed this year compared to last.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 03:51 PM) WTF happened to Cotts?!? Sheesh. Don Cooper my ass. How many pitchers from last year's staff have looked like crap this year? Every single one of them is worse this year. Every single returning pitcher is noticeably worse this year, as I've said. Just had everything fall into place last year.

I just thank God for all of our relievers having fluke years at the same time.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 03:50 PM) I dont even know what to say anymore................................................................... He's got to use Cotts sometimes. I can't really fault Ozzie this time. I'm all for trading Neal this offseason, though. If someone will pay like he's still a top of the line set-up man.

Ha, I spoke too soon.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 03:47 PM) I kinda like Cotts in this situation. I understand it's easy to give up on Cotts, but you cant. Ozzie is giving him every chance to get back on track, and with Nathan coming up, this is good time to give Cotts a semi-important inning. Oh, I certainly want him given some chances, and this is a good one considering he actually gets to start the inning (he seems to have most of his trouble with inherited runners). I just get a sinking feeling every time he comes into a game. I know we can't use Thornton and MacDougal everyday.

Great effort by Iguchi.