Milkman delivers

Crap, Frank is made of glass. I hope that didn't break something.

I'll tell you what, though. If McCarthy getting shelled means KW gets a great starter via trade, it'll make the beating much easier to take. Hopefully the offense can win this one if B-Mac can't get it done.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 05:33 PM) per Fox For?

Not good, that's what I expect. I hope for better though, of course.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 04:40 PM) Has anyone mentioned the Dodgers yet? Are they sellers? 6.5 out of the divison in third place and 7 out of the wild card. KW seemed to always like Odalis Perez and with him coming back next week, would this be something we would be interested in? Just throwing it out there as a speculation. I don't know what his situation is or if the Dodgers like him too much not to give him up. Perez just signed like a 3-year deal. Doubt he's going anywhere. I know, let's get Eric Gagne! Oh, wait...

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 03:40 PM) Young isn't even close. The guys hitting .254 and striking out a ton. Sweeney isn't even that close yet. He's hitting .273 at AA, but he has NO HOMERS! That tells me he still has to develop some power before we even consider it. Gio has made one start at AA, Tracey is only doing okay, and Liotta is still in low A. All of those guys other than Anderson and McCarthy are at least two years away. Do we need them to be ready next year? Or even the year after that? No, we don't. By trading away McCarthy, Sweeney, or Anderson, we're not mortgaging the future. There are viable options behind them, just not ready soon. But, we don't need them soon. We have our outfield locked up at least through next year, and I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find a stop-gap OFer to take over one of the spots for a year. Our starters are locked up even longer, and I'm sure we could find a cheap stop-gap for one of those guys for a year.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 03:38 PM) 10x times better than him is overstating things to say the least. Just remember about payroll flexibility and the advantages of having a good, young cheap starter in our control for a long, long time. Look at Jeremy Bonderman. He was terrible early for the Tiggies, and look how good he's become in 2 to 3 years from that. But the Tigers had the luxury of sucking ass when Bonderman was getting started. McCarthy can't help us this year, and probably not next year either. I'll stick to my opinion that Schmidt is 10x better than McCarthy, but that's just for right now. In a few years, of course McCarthy will most likely be better, but this isn't a few years from now.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 03:34 PM) Take a look at the Yankees for what happens if you keep trading all of your prospects. They've got a lot of old guys on their roster, and no one in the minors. They have no one that can really help their major league team, and no real ammo to add another player in a trade. They're pretty much stuck with what they have. And the Sox can't afford to keep adding FA veterans like the Yankees do to replace them. Not all of them pan out, but those that do are of upmost importance, especially for a mid market team. They've also won 26 world series. And they are the extreme of trading away prospects. We wouldn't go that far.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 03:32 PM) Diaz wasn't a highly rated prospect. Neither were Munoz or Barcelo. Wright had arm problems. Brandon McCarthy IS a highly rated prospect. Just because B-Mac has pitched at a higher than AA for less than a season now, (he had a good start at Wrigley BTW), and because he hasn't automatically come in and put up uber like stats, people are already waiting to give up on him. I don't think wanting to trade McCarthy for a pitcher that is 10x better than him = giving up on him.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 03:30 PM) Reed was expendable last year because we had 2 guys named Anderson and Sweeney coming in behind him. Show me who's coming in behind those 2 and I'll start saying a trade is fine. Ditto McCarthy. That Young kid is behind Anderson and Sweeney, right? And Liotta, Gonzalez, and even Tracey behind B-Mac.

QUOTE(VAfan @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 03:15 PM) To me, trading just minor leaguers for Schmidt or Barnett makes no sense, even if SF or the Marlins went for it. I'll never understand this way of thinking. We can make the team better without removing any pieces from the present team, and it's a bad idea?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 03:08 PM) Did Houston win the WS that year? I think Johnson pitched great for them after they traded for him. I don't see how your question has any relevance. If the Sox picked up Schmidt and he pitched great, but the rest of the team went into a funk, it would still be right move. You pick up a guy hoping that he will help the team, and Johnson did (if I'm not mistaken).

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 03:00 PM) Whatever. You're right. I wanted to say Enron, but I knew that wasn't what they called it. Some damn orange juice brand. I don't even know how I remember the difference between the two. They both suck right now, anyway. The Astros lost last night in Colorado, so hopefully they're starting a nice little nose dive that will urge them to sell instead of buying.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 02:54 PM) Those two dominant starts in extreme pitcher's parks were followed by a rather mediocre one in a hitters park, and he's had a lot more starts like the latter than the former. Also, I'm pretty sure your Johnson comparison doesn't work out too well because I'm fairly sure that trade occured before both teams moved into their new parks. Safeco is a much better pitcher's park than the Kingdom was, and Tropicana is a better hitter's park than the Astrodome was. Minute Maid.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 02:44 PM) Believe it or not but take a look at Iguchi's stats (especially his consistency) & he might be the most consistent 2B in MLB this year. No need for Durham or any one else here. Durable to play every game in the post. If the answer is no, then you must trade for a starter better than Contreras. Contreras could not win a 2-1 game like last night if his life depended on it. Yet that is more likely to resemble the games we will see. A team should not go to battle in the post with Contreras expected to start. I don't think anyone questioned Iguchi, did they? And Contreras won 2-1 against Rockies in Colorado, right? Not saying he could do it again, just playing devil's advocate.

QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 02:15 PM) I don't think he's that far off. OK. I'm dropping it now. Schmidt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>El Duque That's all I have to say.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 02:02 PM) Right now, he's no better than El Duque which would make trading for him for that big of a price worthless. Jesus Christ.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 01:40 PM) I'm usually not the one to bring up the whole clubhouse chemistry thing, but isn't Burnett sort of a jag? I thought I'd heard that he was basically calling up Carl Pavano (prior to this season) basically talking to him about signing with the Yankees. If KW thinks Aubrey Huff can put this team over the top, you gotta do it. Then, after this season, you don't have to worry about resigning Konerko, as you could stick Huff in several different places (most likely one of the corner IF spots). He's posted OPS+ of 132, 139, and 124 the past three seasons, and is 28 (IIRC) this year. Like I said, I'd start off with a package of Crede + Fields + Tracey, as well as a young arm like Josh Fields 2 or Jeff Baj or Arnie Munoz or Felix Diaz. Wow, nice play Jody Gerut. That's some BS on Burnett's part if he said that. I'm almost 100% confident that Burnett's gonna sign with the Yankees this offseason, anyway. What a douche bag. And what did Gerut do?

QUOTE(Pauly8509CWS @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 01:37 PM) That's from a person who likes anything competitive but hockey. So if you're so anti hockey why would that even turn your stomach? Basically what I'm saying is, for someone so against hockey, you probably wouldnt notice the hard work JR and players like him have put up with. See him get hit in the face with a 90+ MPH slap shot and then come back a week later. Really, kyle, keep the "f*** hockey" out of here, this is from someone who has actually watched the game. Hell, I'll play a game for a living and take a puck off the face for millions and millions of dollars a year.

Alright, I give up. Jason Schmidt sucks. He was a fluke.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 12:45 AM) During his career as Pope, JPII dramatically lowered the qualifications for sainthood...it seems like in most cases people are just making things up as miracles, he confirmed I believe more saints during his reign than during either all of or most of the church's history beforehand. Makes perfect sense that people would try to figure out some way to make a saint out of the man who made it easier to be a saint. John Paul II was a saint. Let's not belittle him by basically inferring that he made the requirements less strict in order to become a saint himself one day.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 01:14 PM) I'm gonna be upset if we get Schmidt (unless the deal centers around Contreras and McCarthy or Anderson, that'd be pretty cool). The guy has allowed 42 walks and 86 hits in 82 1/3. He's simply not the same guy. He was highly mediocre last night, he could have been hit a lot harder. He allowed 9 hits and 3 walks. If Kenny is absolutely set on getting a starter, I'd much rather try to get Burnett. The guy has 13 quality starts already and has pitched much better. However, I'd still much rather see us improve in other areas, like finding another guy that can hit, or another arm in the pen so we can use more than 4 guys. I never thought I'd hear somebody say they'd be upset to get Jason Schmidt. On another note, it's not so easy to just get Burnett. We might not have the parts to swing that deal.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 11:41 AM) McCarthy's 21 years old, to expect a Buehrle performance out of him everytime in his first few appearances ever in the big leagues isn't exactly the greatest of reasoning either. I'm just making a point. He says we can't assume Schmidt won't get hurt, so I responded that we can't assume that McCarthy will be good.

QUOTE(forrestg @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 11:45 AM) Much of this talk hinges on the performance of a Ross Gload and Brandon McCarthy. I'm guessing it will be particularlly important if McCarthy has a good start against the TIgers today and if he does we might keep him for ourselves. Gload if he comes back an resumes last year's performance. Scouts and gms aren't stupid they'll likely wait a few days to see who's hot and who's not they have to way the downside and upside of all players involved. If wishing were good enough we could trade Viscaino for Schmidt even up. As far as Gammons it surprises me that he ever said anything good about the White sox.

QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 05:17 PM) Ted Theodore Logan and Bill S. Preston, Esq. Best names ever. I disagree. Some better names are: Herman the Kid Bob Genghis Khan So-crates Johnson Abraham Lincoln