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QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 01:32 PM) Kathy and I are definately going. We love Levy and Yucko! Oh yay!! It'll be a big belly party. They are going to have a field day with us!!

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 01:31 PM) [props up mirror and runs away] Ya.. right... The day this kid controls anything is the day hell freezes over.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 01:25 PM) I know lots of people. I also know the Sox suddenly had a lot more fans than they ever had before in the last three seasons. Those same new hats seem to be disappearing really quickly this year. The core fans will always be fans, and those are the people who have been ticketholders forever. But there is no doubt in my mind there is a large bandwagon contingent of Sox fans, as evidenced by all of the people breaking ankles in the last few years to jump onto and off of the fan bus. Thank you for clarifying. I know I comment on it nearly every time it's stated, but "Don't forget that White Sox fans are about the biggest bandwagon fans in all of baseball" is an inaccurate statement and it is insulting to the 13K who have been diving into their pockets for the past 2+ decades to support this team.

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 12:53 PM) what are these like? Are the fans good, or do they ruin in with yelling show stuff? I like Richard a lot, probably would go if he was there. Although a pic of me and Beet for my office wall is tempting As Tony said the show is awesome. Levy is a sweetheart and Richard and Sal are hysterical. I saw Beet years ago in NYC (just after Hank died and he did his first appearance at the AVM show) and he was a riot then so I can only imagine how much crazier he will be now. Though Bob is getting sick of babysitting him, hopefully he hags in there till this show. Tony, King Norris was at the CB a few months ago and our neighbors said it was fine (We didn't go cause I was recovering from surgery) so I'm sure this will be a good time also. QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 01:26 PM) Did Bob Levy eat Blue Cheese out of Steff's butt? uh-oh Oh heaven's no. Gosh.. I've known Bob since back when John was on the show and he traveled with them so they had someone to piss on. Good times at Zanies in Vernon Hills..

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 12:11 PM) Hey, Ang felt the sameway! She doesn't count. Her mind is cloudy with raging hormones right now.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 01:20 PM) No, I agree with the comments you made (not the green sarcasm color). I think they were dead on. Pfftt.. of course they were.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 12:34 PM) is it really worth bickering? Walker should go, even if its not his fault, thats what teams do to change the environment, so the players hear a different voice. Maybe they should change the paint color in the clubhouse first. I hear yellow is soothing...

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 12:05 PM) We never have agreed on that... Probably never will. Mainly because you don't know many season ticket holders.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 11:59 AM) Is that in green for sarcasm cause I totally agree with your post Steff. No. It was to ref Mike's comment about Sox fans being bandwagoneers. My comments in green are my serious opinions. I'm not surprised you'd agree. Everyone on that coast is fake.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 11:57 AM) It left an abruptness that just left the feeling that something was happening... Even something as subtle as that changes the tone of the scene, because it would have given the feeling that nothing was going to happen at that moment. You are left feeling like something just happened, and you have no idea what it was. To you.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 11:40 AM) Dan Bernstein is a fantastic analyzer of the White Sox. When they're good, he'll say they're good. When he sucks, he'll say why they suck. He also has a lot of inside information about the team if you pay attention close enough. Dan Bernstein has a dart board. Sometimes he hits it.. sometimes he misses. If it's name is "inside information", I do not know. But I do know that he is not well liked by many employed by the Chicago White Sox.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 10:32 AM) Kenny Williams can't be worried about the media? Then why should he be reigning in Ozzie Guillen when he says something stupid? Its because media perception matters in this town. Don't kid yourself, its obvious you have wanted this melted down for quite a while, but Kenny has to do things intelligently or we end up with a $50 million payroll for 2008 because of season ticket cancelations. He has to be able to give the perception that he did everything he could for 2007. With teams like Houston and Minnesota coming back from huge deficits in the last few years, there will be plenty of writers convincing people that they quit too soon if they were to do something today. Don't forget that White Sox fans are about the biggest bandwagon fans in all of baseball. They have to believe that we are just reloading for 2008, and not completely rebuilding because of the past perceptions that still linger in this town. There were people who didn't go to games for a decade because of grudges like the strike and the white flag trade. It will happen again if this gets done in a haphazard fashion. Kenny Williams shouldn't do anything rash just because some people on the internet feel the season is over. There is a right way and a wrong way to do this, and if the perseption of panic able to be portrayed in this town all of the inroads the Sox made in the last 10 year are gone. I'm ok with that. I do not agree with this at all. Those that spend the money are smart, knowledgeable, and passionate fans who despite not spending the money, if that's what they choose, still follow the team religiously. Those jumping off cliffs and throwing in the towl at the first sign of struggles and/or rebuilding are the bandwagoneers, IMO, of course. QUOTE(Vance Law @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 11:16 AM) We were 6 games out of the playoffs then, only 2 games different from right now. And JR was right, we weren't going to catch the Cleveland Maulers that year. Maybe, maybe not. Still, doing what he did was bulls*** and the players let him know in the form or t-shirts they wore every day in the clubhouse and under their uniforms for the remainder of the season which read "we just might be dumb enough to win this". He has yet to make another mistake of that magnitude.

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 11:11 AM) I'm kind of in the middle on the finale, but tending towards liking it. I think I saw a lot of interviews with Chase where he said it would not have a typical ending, so I was prepared for that. The thing that bugs me the most was the quick cut to black, I didn't like thinking my cable went out, I think it lost its impact. I read it as a "life goes on, and this is the life Tony chose" which I'm fine with. It's funny you mention that. I have heard from a ton of folks that if the screen had slowly went to black they would have been happier with it.

QUOTE(DonnyDevito @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 09:25 AM) reinsdorf and kenny williams must not want to run a business because they're not very professional at all. greg walker must do special favors behind closed doors because it makes zero sense that he still has a job. i see 0 improvement from the hitters, in fact, i think they're getting worse. CAN HIS BEHIND ALREADY!!! what do we have to do? storm the cell??? I was going to call in a "special favor" and ask that you get knocked upside your head.... Until I re-read the part about Jerry Reinsdorf not professional at running a business... It was then I realized you have clearly already been dropped on your noggin several times. And yes, please do storm the cell. If we're lucky you will be in custody for the remainder of the season.

QUOTE(Brian @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 08:31 AM) How so? You don't know a lot about David Chase than. I think the last episode seperated two groups of fans who watched the show. One group who watched for the stories, characters, and to be made to think, and the other group who watched just to see murders, even if they meant nothing. The show was always more art than entertainment. David Chase created an ending that people will be talking about in TV history. I have a feeling some people would of been happier if it turned out like Bob Newhart and the last scene was Tony waking up in a hotel and it was all a dream. Great points Brian. The show was about a man's relationship with his mother and how she effected his life - as Chase stated from day 1. What I am seeing is that those who never understood that hated the ending. It might have been better the fans that were in it for the killing stopped watching when Chase altered the show to focus more on family. The only time I saw more pissy folks is during the Kevin Finerty story line. That was absolutely brilliant yet most "fans" hated it.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 11, 2007 -> 10:09 PM) Is Oceans 13 worth seeing? Did anyone see it? Whoops...I should have read before making this post. Was it better than the 2nd one (wasn't much of a fan than the second one). We thought so.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jun 11, 2007 -> 03:16 PM) Scary as in "Oh My F***ING GOD THOSE ARE HUGE", or scary as in "Yikes, Tara Reids look more natural than those"? Scary as in they look like 2 baseballs sitting on her chest. She is waaaay to anorexic for them. They look nassssteeee.

The thoughts from the reporter from Vanity Fair who authored the 5 page article with the cast and Chase 2 months ago... "Made In America" "The final episode was titled "Made In America" because that was the original name of the show when it was pitched to Fox in 1998. I understand people want to look for a deeper meaning or some hidden label within last nights episode, but there's nothing more to it." David Chase titled the last episode, the episode where Tony finally seems to have some peace with his immediate family in the final scene, "Made In America" because it brings the show full circle. The show was based on a mobster whose life at home, with his wife, mother, kids and relationships were all in shambles, while he seemingly had better control of his mob life, despite all the mayhem involved. He finally had that peace, closure with Uncle Jun, Janice, AJ's depression, Meadow's life path, and Carmella, so the show had come full circle.

Enjoyed Ocean 13. Ellen Barkin has a very scary boob job.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 11, 2007 -> 12:08 PM) Its amazing to think that we have eight guys on our roster right now who were in the minors to start this season. Ugh. I've put in a call to the ticket dept asking that my seats prices be pro-rated to the Charlotte admission prices. If I'm going to watch minor leaguers, I should only pay minor league prices.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 11:25 AM) I'm more interested in your IM conversations. I have some real good ones....

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 11, 2007 -> 11:27 AM) Similar to Vito being "Fatass in Bakery" when Christopher flipped out on the kid behind the counter then a season later he's a regular character but not the same person. Right. As well as that Doogie Houser kid being one of the "workers" in the pizza joint Jackie Jr tried to make his meeting place when he was working for Ralphie, only to be given a cast role a few episodes later. QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Jun 11, 2007 -> 11:28 AM) Oh, ok...I was going to rewatch the credits tonight. I did not pay attention last night. I've been duped again! Naah you haven't. It was just one more thing to make the views who pay attention think. I saw it and backed up the Tivo at least 3 times and watched the credits twice on slow-mo.

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Jun 11, 2007 -> 11:15 AM) Yeah, the important thing in that was the Nicky Leotardo stuff. I don't see how. They have regurgitated actors in the past. In last night's credits he was not credited as "Nicky Leotardo" he was credited as "guy at the bar" (sic). If he was credited as NL, then this theory holds water. He was not.

QUOTE(mreye @ Jun 11, 2007 -> 09:43 AM) There should be a shutoff valve in the house. ^^. Just shut it off and cap the valve.

Jim, I agree almost word for word with you. I loved it and felt that spelling out an ending would have been a complete disservice to the show and it's 9+ year fans. I got it immediately when Chase chose not to gift wrap "the future", and, IMO, was clear in showing that Tony will always live in fear, as he always has. Wrapping up AJ, Meadow, and Carm was more than enough, and if Chase would have kept going and given everyone an "ending" I would have called BS and thought the episode sucked. He's never done that before. It would have been a sellout to start now. I also loved "Don't stop.. " playing. Left open, but I'm going to take it as a "hang in there Sopranos fans.. I might not be done with this family just yet.." I'm still laughing about the guy spitting his drink as Phil's head was squashed. Leave it to Chase to make a morbid scene funny.