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This team likes defense, right? So why would they start a left fielder who sucks in CF in CF?

Congrats greasy!

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Feb 8, 2006 -> 09:52 PM) Huh? So why bother quoting it? Because I'm replying to you, not someone else who might have posted inbetween my post and yours. No, I don't. Why would they increase? This is major league baseball, you don't loosen up on the mound just because you are up 6 runs, and if you do, you aren't going to last very long. If this is what you were talking about in the other post, then I disagree very much so, and must have misunderstood it. Games are not decided alone by pitching. Hitting plays a big part of it too, and Roger Clemens proved it last year. In each and every one of his losses, was he the worse pitcher? Not necessarily, since the Astros offense likely often made the other pitcher look good. In those cases, was it the pitchers good pitching, or the hitters incompetent hitting? The Astros were 11th in the National League in runs scored. If they were 1st, what do you think Clemen's win/loss record would have been? And I'm not really going case to case (Although its true that if you win the game, you aren't necessarily the better pitcher. You could very well be, but it's not absolute.), but more towards end of the season statistics. Francis had 14 wins, Clemens had 13. Since Francis had more wins, does that make him the better pitcher? If you do go case to case, you need to take into account the quality of the offense they are facing. For example, Brandon McCarthy dominated both the Rangers in Texas and the Red Sox in Boston last year. If another pitcher were to have dominated the Twins (I use the Twins because they were last in the AL in runs last year), would it have been just as impressive a pitching job? Would that then make McCarthy and the other pitcher on the same level of pitching? No, because the Rangers and Red Sox are dominant offensive teams, especially when playing in their homeparks. The Twins, on the other hand, are pathetic on offense.

Minnesota beat PSU ..not like this really means anything, but it does mean I can gloat to my brother that my school beat his

QUOTE(knightni @ Feb 8, 2006 -> 08:51 PM) I made a new poster for Seattle fans. And the winner of the thread is... knightni! Great picture

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Feb 8, 2006 -> 03:16 PM) It was actually sarcasm, because I feel the same was as you do. Alright Its a bit hard to tell online sometimes (I also forgot that you were a Steelers fan)

QUOTE(AirScott @ Feb 8, 2006 -> 03:08 PM) which one? the 2 minute drill before the end of the 1st or 2nd half? 'cause both were awful. I meant the one before the half specifically, but the same could probably be argued for the one at the end of the game too.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Feb 8, 2006 -> 01:18 PM) It was nice to see Holmgren complain about the refs. But did he explain why he decided to ignore Cowher at midfield? It was nice? I thought it was downright childish. He's been in the league for how many years, and yet he still doesn't realize that those type of comments are completely out of line? It was pretty clear that the call on the Roethlisberger TD affected him, since he was still complaining about it at halftime. Maybe if he had gotten over it, they could have devised a real plan in for the 2 minute drill. Instead, he let the call get to him, and it seemingly affected the teams ability to perform.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Feb 6, 2006 -> 06:06 PM) What does that have to do with my question? Yes they are extremes, but they are also very unlikey to happen. It has nothing to do with your question, it has to do with your line of thinking on the value of wins. And they aren't that extreme. Look at Roger Clemens last year, 13-8 with a 1.87 ERA and 1.01 WHIP, while Jeff Francis went 14-12 with a 5.68 ERA and 1.62 WHIP, and before you say "Coors Field effect", he was worse on the road than at home. According to wins, Francis was the better pitcher. According to everything else, Clemens was. IMO, Clemens was clearly the best pitcher in the league. I don't like the guy, and would have voted against him in the Cy Young out of hate, but he had the best year out of any pitcher in the league. Is that shown by his win total? No. Why? Because his team gave him no run support. And to answer your original question, there is nothing wrong with pitching at the same level of your opponent, as long as you get the win. But just because you get the win doesn't mean you are the better pitcher.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 8, 2006 -> 12:01 AM) IIRC, didn't the Sox only take Jenks and McCarthy on that trip to Boston where McCarthy was godlike? They took others too, but I'm pretty sure Buehrle stayed in Chicago, as did Garland and Konerko? (memory is a bit foggy, I could be off. I do remember the game though, it was a great one ) edit: No, Konerko hit a HR (forgot that it was him ), so he was there According to ESPN, they left 5 players behind, and AJP was in Florida with his wide (pregnant)

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Feb 7, 2006 -> 10:20 PM) 30 f***ing seconds into the interview and he's already dropped an F-Bomb. Sounds good, I wish I had HBO

Wait, you are complaining (not really the right word, but I'll use it anyway) that you had to use the lasso tool instead of the eraser? If used correctly, it can do just as good of a job as the eraser, if not better. Personally, I always use the lasso

Gavin Floyd is a good pitching prospect. And there is already a 15+ page thread on this here: http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=45919

QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Feb 6, 2006 -> 11:39 PM) I am proud to say that when i read your sig i knew exactly what it meant within seconds. Same here, but I wouldn't say that I was proud. "Wow I'm sad" was the first thing that came to my mind

QUOTE(TheDudeAbides @ Feb 6, 2006 -> 11:07 PM) Hey Kalapse, why not? It leads to long, pointless threads.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Feb 6, 2006 -> 04:29 PM) If the Brewers manage to swing Carlos for a decent starting pitcher (preferably a lefty) they will win the NL Central next year. Hell, even if they don't trade Carlos I think they have a hell of a chance. This team is really starting to grow on me. They are my pick, and have been since the end of last year Also, thanks to whoever changed the title of this thread. It was very misleading originally.

QUOTE(MarkBuehrle_TheAce @ Feb 6, 2006 -> 12:05 AM) i dont think buehrle is BETTER than any other ace in baseball. I wasn't referring to you.

"A phillies fan expected" Hell, White Sox fans here expected the Mets to give up Milledge and Heilman for Contreras. Some even think Buehrle is better than any other ace in baseball right now. Just because a fan thinks it doesn't mean its anywhere near being true, especially with how much Buehrle means to the White Sox.

Buehrle in Game 2 of the ALCS takes the cake for me. The offense was horrible, and yet he single handedly kept us in the game for all 9.

QUOTE(bmags @ Feb 5, 2006 -> 10:27 PM) incredibly boring game, commercials, and halftime show. And terrible announcing and annoying post/pre game...Worst superbowl ever. I enjoyed the game, and there were some pretty funny commercials.

Congrats to the Steelers and their fans. I wasn't right on the score, but I was right on the result

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Feb 5, 2006 -> 09:41 PM) That drive went like all other drives have gone. They start off hot, but then they cool off big. And then punt it into the endzone

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Feb 5, 2006 -> 09:37 PM) I think that's what gets me. You spend weeks preparing and working to get to a Super Bowl then you lose because a WR threw a TD against you? I think cheap is a good word, but hey more power to the Steelers, a TD is a TD. I get where you are coming from, but the point of the game is to do what you need to do to win. The Steelers use gadget plays to throw in a twist every now and then, and I personally don't really see anything wrong with them. Then again, if the Bears lost because of gadget plays, I'd be pissed as hell.

This thread looks suspiciously similar to the White Sox game threads in Pale Hose Talk

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Feb 5, 2006 -> 09:11 PM) That was a little shank that rolled 20 yards Thats the point of kicking near the endzone on turf..