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QUOTE(Middle Buffalo @ Nov 23, 2007 -> 11:15 AM) Black - Pearl Jam Paint it Black - Rolling Stones

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Nov 23, 2007 -> 10:57 AM) Maybe the rose colored glasses are a little thick this morning but I think Danks OR Gio, Uribe and McDougal get it done for Crawford. If that's all it took I think that deal would be done already with Gio going and the Sox paying for Uribe and MMac. I'm afraid they will demand Danks AND Gio which gut our future rotation and require getting another pitcher somehow.

Does it cost Danks to get Crawford? If a deal can be done for Gio and whatever else, avoiding Danks and Fields, then the deal makes a lot of sense. But I can't see the Rays trading him now for borderline prospects.

Rock the Casbah - The Clash

Score reports 5/ $90 million I now re tract any statements. Yuck.

QUOTE(max power @ Nov 22, 2007 -> 09:34 AM) If its twenty million, kenny probably offered 4/60. Regardless, if the angels have over $80 million tied up in hunter, we can be happy that the sox don't. I agree with this in part. My real problem is that the Sox have put themselves in a position where they don't want to rebuild, and don't want to spend on free agents. I understand that $80 million might be overspending, but isn't this the price we kind of expected?

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Nov 22, 2007 -> 08:48 AM) From an article I read, it appears the Sox came in 3rd place in the Hunter sweepstakes. Frankly, I think it was all about money and its really not the White Sox MO to offer the most money to someone on the open market. All of their potential free agents had to take a discount to stay. But unless this was a big smokescreen, Hunter was the Sox key piece trying to fix a very broken team. The shine is definitely off the WS trophy. KW isn't going to be successful wooing players by telling him how great the team will be or by how great the city is etc. The size of the check is going to do his talking. The guys on the Score just said a little while ago that the Sox might have been outbid by $20 million. If that's true then it's shameful. And know what? I believe he did get out bid by that much. Hunter said this all happened in 24 hours and he got blown away. I would love to know the offer KW gave. On the other hand, the are the team that can actually win next year.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 22, 2007 -> 05:04 AM) Well this is a big time shock and I don't think anyone saw this coming. 5 years for $80M, I think that's overpaying. He'll be worth it for the 1st 2-3 years, but not after that. So on that aspect, I'm glad we haven't signed him. It might be overpaying, but it's far less than we expected. Had this been a $90-100 million deal then fine, but I can't figure out why the Sox wouldn't consider a deal like this if he was serious about getting him.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 22, 2007 -> 01:36 AM) Technically speaking signing Rowand (who they are hot after) or Hunter are key for them to get Cabrera or Santana (or both) as it will allow them to be able to easily move their young outfielders (Ethier/Loney/Kemp). That's true, but I still don't think they would go over the top by that much. I'm not saying the Dodgers aren't trying to sign Hunter, only that the report might be inaccurate.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Nov 22, 2007 -> 12:40 AM) I doubt very much that this is true. 6 for 100 would have the Dodgers offering more years and more dollars per year than anyone else. The Rangers offered a 6 year contract at 13-14 million per year. This would be 6 years with more than 16 per. That just doesn't make sense. I have a difficult time believing it and I haven't seen it reported anywhere else. The Score beat reporters are far from reliable. I trust Bruce Levine before I would trust them and I barely trust him. Another reason I can't see this being true is that the Dodgers are targeting either Cabrera or Santana. Either would cost them well over $100 million to extend their contracts. I don't see why they'd go over the top of everyone else when they are most likely planning on spending so much elsewhere.

QUOTE(NCsoxfan @ Nov 22, 2007 -> 12:32 AM) Fields, Owens, and DLS.... I would do it in a heartbeat Would the Marlins? I dont think so. They probably would with Gio too... Better add Danks to the deal.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 22, 2007 -> 12:11 AM) BTW, important to find another source. I haven't seen ANYTHING yet, aside from Bruce. The Score reported it but I'd guess they took it from Bruce.

Reported on the Score. They say up to 4 years. I think the numbers might be suspect right now, but we will see.

Out of nowhere.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 21, 2007 -> 10:32 PM) http://forum.newbergreport.com/viewtopic.php?t=2831 Was linked at Southsidesox.com I am sure it just a PR more for his visit, at least I hope. I would image the Sox did the same thing. Fair enough.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 21, 2007 -> 10:22 PM) What's all this about?

Score just reported that th Dodgers may have offered Hunter a 6 year deal for over $100 million. Stress may have.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 03:40 PM) Its seems the "big fish" comment from Kenny, was acutally right after being asked about Miguel Cabrera, if you read the context of the interview the way that the USA today has it written up. They ask him if they realize that they might have helped the Angels get Cabrera, then Kenny talks about landing the big fish. Really interesting to say the least. Could the Hunter stuff be a smoke screen to swoop in and get MCab? http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/20...era-dealt_N.htm The KW conference call says otherwise (4 mins in). It was actually in relation to how Cabrera was going to be used in the lineup. He said Cabrera would bat second but they were still after "some big fish" so he might lead off against some pitchers. I don't know what that means, but that's what he said.

QUOTE(rockren @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 04:11 PM) I think Stone meant 2 or 3 years from now after Hunter's body can't play everyday anymore due to being old and beat up. Yeah, he seemed to say that by the end of the contract, Hunter might not even be able to DH because of a bad back and knees.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 02:07 PM) He talked about him yesterday. He thinks he's great. The Angels coaching staff raved about him. Crap...well I gave a recap anyway.

Stone disagrees that last year was a career year. He averages only 50 K's a year, and is similar to Carl Crawford. 4 times has had more than 40 doubles...points to a lot of stats, but I couldn't keep up with everything. Great clubhouse guy and the Angels players felt he held the team together. His leadership and work ethic are great. Compares Cabrera to Vizquel in that he will age well. Garland is a decent pitcher who will make a lot of money Stone thinks this is a great move for the Sox. Other GMs view him as a 1 or 2 (odd). Considers him elite and could get $20 million a year in free agency. (Yikes) Keeps saying Garland is a Boras guy? (Landis?) On Hunter: The Ranger org. thinks they will get the deal done with Hunter Stone thinks he's 3 to 4 years older because of the turf, which ages his knees and back. KW could put him at DH, but back problems could be comparable to Thome and Rolen. On Pitching Thinks they have enough to fill the rotation. Sox think Gio has better stuff than Danks. Gio could be 4th or 5th. Doesn't see Floyd as a starter, but will end up in the pen.

I'll post a recap.

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 01:55 PM) No time to link, but rotoworld says Hunter could be shooting for either 7 year deal or Carlos Lee type 6 yrs, 100 mil. For those figures, just say no! Link

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 01:54 PM) "pure speculation" -- much better than newspapers. Almost infallible. Ah...excellent.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 01:50 PM) Do you have proof of this or are you going by radio and newspaper reports? I would like to see your proof that this happened. Pictures? What are you going on?