NorthSideSox72

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:13 PM) However, every scout in baseball knows Mitchell has struggled with consistency this season. I can't imagine they're going to be fooled by him being promoted to AAA the week before a trade. They probably just want to see how he does the last month of the AAA season in that smaller park...perhaps, it could have something to do with wanting him to be with a different hitting coach. Sometimes if things aren't really clicking with one particular coach, you try another and see how that works out. And he could definitely be a pinch-runner or PHer in September. I'd rather have him up there than Escobar, Flowers or Hudson. Not so much fooling scouts... it is more a matter of catching a team's attention. He gets promoted, other GM's and orgs see that and say, hey, how stale is our info on this guy? Maybe we should have someone go check him out again.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:18 PM) It's only one year of Floyd at $9.5 million. That's not exactly a huge bargain. As we all know, relievers, even closers....can be overrated in terms of their value. (See Santos, Sergio). Delgado would be under team control for 5 years Look at it this way, would you have rather Viciedo/Reed or Delgado? Because clearly, Greinke's a better pitcher than Dempster, results over the last two months notwithstanding. According to Marty, Viciedo's easily replaceable, whereas young starting pitching under team control is not. Bolded is where you derail. For THESE TWO MONTHS, Dempster not only looks like a better pitcher to have, he's also the opposite of a head case. Dempster's value right now in trade is higher than Greinke's, without a doubt.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:12 PM) No way I do that if I'm KW. No way. Neither would he, or anyone else. 2 months of a head case is absolutely not worth that.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:06 PM) I heard the Phillies might trade Doc or Lee, so they can sign Hamels to a extension. Well that would certainly be a big splash. Somehow I don't think the Sox are in that ballpark.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 12:01 PM) Juan Pierre? You stop that! Stop that!!!!

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 10:41 AM) I wish you hadn't told us you were a cop. Suddenly I'm scared of you. Police frighten me, even friendly ones. Police frighten you, but you want to know if it is OK to shoot a guy who is just standing there?

Also, didn't see it in here (might have missed it), but White Sox scouts were at the Brewers/Phillies game yesterday. But Greinke wasn't pitching yesterday, so... anyone else on those squads we might be looking at?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 10:25 AM) Why would Greinke cost that much more than Dempster? He wouldn't. He'd cost less, I'd say, not more. Greinke is a pretty big gamble, in addition to being a rental.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 11:47 AM) Sounds like trade inflation to me. Yeah, didn't seem like he was ready for this just yet. Could be showcasing. At least this moves the line along among the outfielders waiting behind B-Ham. Should see some more movement. Feel bad for my AAP Mark Haddow, would have been ready for a promotion the way he was playing and with Walker and Mitchell moving up, but he's on the DL. Remenowsky back to B-Ham, that pretty much seals it for him. He jumped to AAA twice and just didn't get it done there. At this point and his age, I'd say his shot at the majors is now very, very long.

QUOTE (G&T @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 09:24 AM) You would be arrested. Self defense requires that the threat be on going when you act. When the guy is standing by the car unarmed there is nothing to defend yourself from. That said, it would be an interesting case. I would argue that if he were at the theater, leaning against the car, the possibility that he is armed and would continue shooting is so high that self defense is still warranted. The civilian hurdle may be that low, but the police hurdle isn't.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 10:29 PM) Marin has given up 24 hits in his last 20-plus innings. He'll be 23 next month and still in High A ball. Not getting excited about a minor-league reliever with those numbers. His BAA was .151 in Low A, now .262 in High A. GO/AO cut in half. On the other hand, his K rate is actually a little higher, and the walk rate is a lot lower. Nothing to get overly excited about, but, worth keeping an eye on.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 06:14 PM) You keep beating me to the punch. We have some commonality in our backgrounds.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 04:24 PM) On the other hand, if anyone here has read the Tiger Mother/Amy Chua book, the main moral of the story is that the parenting model has to be something of a "hybrid" between Eastern and Western modes. In the book, she's (the mother) pushed the youngest daughter so hard in piano (the older daughter was forced to learn the violin, or maybe I have it the other way around) that she finally cracks under the pressure as a teenager and her mom relents and lets her quit playing and start tennis instead, after she's invested 10-12 years and tens of thousands of dollars on lessons and experts and tutors in an effort to make her a prodigy. There's a much higher suicide rate in Asian countries because of all the burden and pressure of expectations from parents, especially when it's an only child. The major difference is countries like China don't allow gun possession by civilians. What happens there most often is disenfranchised men who are lacking in education go into an elementary school and stab children, or maybe there's acid attacks in Hong Kong, another example. Sarin gas in Tokyo, the AUM religious cult. The difference between pushing someone and abusing someone, is a very very fine line. Look at how kids who grew up in systems like this turned out as adults, for example, Tiger Woods, the Williams sisters or Todd Marinovich. Parents need to remember their reasons for pushing kids, and think about what's really in their best interest. Kids don't exist to make the parents look better, that's not the way it works. The other thing is that fewer and fewer kids are playing organized sports...PE budgets are being cut back or don't even exist, as well as areas like art and music. Kids are content to just play on their cell phones or laptops and hardly ever exercise anymore (the majority). If there's any one difference that always strikes me about the US vs. Asia, it's that every time I go out to eat, 60-75% of the customers are fat or obese. In Asian countries, you always never see that. If you do see someone who's overweight in middle or high school, they're teased or bullied unmercifully about it by their classmates. Is that better? Where people are blunt/honest and say whatever they think or feel instead of holding things back for fear of hurting someone's feelings? Who knows? It's a question I still haven't found the answer to as a teacher trained in the political correctness of the "West" but sometimes horrified by the behavior of parents in the "East." You really are the king of tangents.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 04:15 PM) How can Septimo be out of options? He's not made the majors until this season, unless I am missing something. Also... I think an option "clock" starts on a player on the 40-man roster. But Septimo wasn't in the professional levels until 5 years ago, so I can't imagine he was on anyone's 40 until last year at the earliest. So even in that scenario, he'd have two option years left.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 04:19 PM) That's about as bad as "if no one has a gun that wouldn't have happened". People have other resources other than firearms if they want to hurt people. It sounds like this guy had some illegal resources. That's actually a big discussion point right now... did he acquire all the weapons legally, or not? There doesn't seem to be a solid answer yet.

QUOTE (Tdog32 @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 04:12 PM) The real reason veal is down and septimo still up is that septimo is out of options. How can Septimo be out of options? He's not made the majors until this season, unless I am missing something.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 04:03 PM) I think that was a turning point in law enforcement since no law enforcement agencies had anything to combat it at that time. Was definitely a seminal moment in some ways. Then there was the tank in San Diego. That was truly beyond any law enforcement capability, and brought into question a possible exception to the laws against use of military power against civilians.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 04:02 PM) Don't let your imagination run away. I have no idea what this means, but... just keep it civil. Like I said.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 03:59 PM) Police aren't allowed a margin of error. It's like if someone points a fake or empty gun at a cop, they are suppose to wait to be gunned down before they can react. Very large exaggeration. If a cop comes up on a call like this one, and someone points a gun at them, they would be absolutely and legally justified in firing at them. Apparently that didn't happen here, or else the guy would be ridden with many extra holes.

I'm starting to see some deep religious talk here, and some gun control talk. All well and fine. But please keep it civil, and try to keep it apolitical. Otherwise, the thread (or parts of it) will need to be moved to the Buster.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 03:43 PM) This isn't an easy thing to live with for most people, including police officers. Said that before, people don't realize it. Also, some of the people here talking about how easy it would be to shoot the guy in a dark theater are deluded by Hollywood. Ain't that easy. And go greg775... If the cops got there and the guy is just standing there, and he complies with orders to stand down, they'd be in very deep s*** if they shot him.

Trading him for what? Pretty sure you won't get much for him right now. Have him in AAA, see if he can get his stroke back. He is then insurance on Youk, and maybe can be part of 2013.

QUOTE (OsweGo-Go Sox @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 03:21 PM) Why the hell would he turn this trade down? I understand the situation with his daughter and all, but people have been talking about a trade all season and he hasn't said anything. The tweet above makes it seem the BRAVES cut loose of the trade, not the Cubs or Dempster. Not sure where you are getting this.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 03:20 PM) A lot of these issues were pertinent before the ASB (ie: Dunn and Konerko struggling to do much of anything). The offense started to struggle around mid June, but thankfully got to face some of the worst starters in baseball to pad their stats (Wolf, Blackburn, Randy Wells, Adam Warren). Dunn was still hitting dingers pretty regularly, though his average was dipping. Konerko is in a bgi slump, but starting to get a few hits - you don't move a guy like that down. He's Paul Konerko, and has shown what will happen next. Feel free to see it how you will, but I think its silly and damaging to start tinkering with the lineup at this point (again, beyond days off here and there).

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 03:12 PM) I keep seeing people say this, but nothing seems to be changing with the offense. How long do you wait to make changes then? A lot longer than a single road trip! This "nothing seems to be changing" thing is just silly in this time frame. Changing the lineup (other than giving a day off to players here and there) isn't something you do based on one road/home stand. You do that, and you reduce your chances of getting back to the rhythm they HAD before the ASB, which was good.