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QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 07:45 AM) I think you will see the HOF voters view on the DH start to shift as well with the revocation of the voting privileges for the old curmudgeons that haven't covered baseball in decades. As well they should. The HOF should reflect the game, DH's and Closers should be a part of that considering their impact on the game over the last 40 to 45 years.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 08:57 AM) 4 years 72 mil. If that is accurate, it sounds like they really upped their initial offer, which the best news of all as it means they have less chance to maintain their core going forward. #missionaccomplished

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 09:01 AM) Sounds like Gordon had a bigger offer from another team, the White Sox. But I thought players only went for the biggest offers?

QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 08:40 PM) It's a total gimmick, but SO much better than a SO. It's really fun to watch, I've got 0 problem with it. Total gimmick, but a killer one. It really let's these guys show off their skills much more in the spirit of the game than a SO does.

I love the 3 on 3 overtime. Just end to end action. It is the closest thing to Olympic hockey you see in the NHL. Nice win for the Hawks.

It is also worth noting that Frank and Edgar were kind of the tipping point in having players being DH's not being seen as a bad thing. I think if you flipped Ortiz and Edgar (dropping the steroid issue completely) their recognitions would also be flipped. It is also worth pointing out one played in ESPN central in Boston, the other in ESPN hell in Seattle.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 02:36 PM) The most damning parts of Big Short (the book) were the stories of the trader who made the huge trade on CDS that made the really douchey trader rich, and then basically retired after it all blew up with a nice buyout. And the conversation in Las Vegas where they found the guy buying up all of the junkiest swaps. Flashboys was nonsense. I actually picked up the book after seeing the movie. I have two other books to finish, but I am going to check it out.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 02:19 PM) Wait...what? The ultimate Hall of Fame snub for cheating is Joe Jackson. That goes back about as far as you can go back.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 02:22 PM) Bonds is a better guy than Ty Cobb was Non Sequitur.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 02:09 PM) That's good to hear. It sounds like WallStreet just invents things to bring in money which is hard for me to comprehend. It also was marketed wrong. Promos made it look like these guys hit it rich and live a party lifestyle and that isn't the case at all. I'd listen to Margot Robbie in a bathtub all day. To be fair, not many ordinary traders are investing in this stuff. This is WAY beyond your WallStreet101 type trader. I don't think the product itself was the problem. The biggest problem was wrong assumptions on the housing market creating an aura of no risk. In any trading environment if your risk modeling is wrong, you open the door to being a disaster.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 01:50 PM) That's the thing. If Pudge and ESPECIALLY Ortiz get in, then there's zero reason to not include Bonds, Clemons and others. Yeah, it will be BS if Ortiz gets in, and the others don't. I do want to see consistency.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 01:10 PM) I feel like I liked "The Big Short" more than most. Top 10 liked. Being in a business that deals with CMO's and Swaps, I liked the way everything was handled. I thought it was a really well done movie. The acting was also well done, as I "know" many of those "characters" in real traders. They did a great job with the ego's of the right guys, and the odd quirkiness of others.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 01:14 PM) So as I was thinking about random guys the Sox have had over the years and I thought about Jose Paniagua. Has their ever been a player in the history of the franchise (or even the game) to have such a negative opinion associated with him based upon such limited time (in his case, 1/3rd of an inning with an organization)? I mean, people on her still reference him as the worst player to wear a uniform (and he was signed to a minimum deal and only pitched 1/3rd an inning...by the way, deserving so...I will remember watching that game and just being astonished in disbelief (I could tell you where I was when I watched it and who I was with too). For those that might be too young to remember, below is an article talking a bit about his eventual release and what drove it: http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1613303 The Paniagua stuff still astounds me to this day.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 01:06 PM) That puts him at the bottom of the top 1/4 of SS. That's what an org is looking for out of their top prospect? I'm looking for an all star, frankly. And if 3 WAR is what his is, that's certainly not worth the combined value of Montas, Thompson and Micah who will assuredly exceed that. (they'll likely exceed Frazier's WAR as well). 8 out of 30, means top 4 in each league, which is pretty damned close to it. The AL had two SS's on the roster, the NL had 3. Yes, if we get a borderline all star SS for minimum wage I will be thrilled.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 12:44 PM) The Sox gave Paulino $2 million. He made 4 starts for them and 5 in Charlotte. I also don't think his contract is fully guaranteed until some time in spring training. The signed Paulino with the full intent of his being in the rotation. That is only reinforcing my point.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 12:26 PM) I counted 8 (Fangraphs standard search excludes players like Correa). Gregorious had a 3 war. Is that what we want out of Anderson? Yanks picked him up for a middle reliever. Thompson, Johnson and Montas will deliver more than aggregate 3 WAR, once they get into their major league careers. Brandon Crawford, who had mediocre AA and AAA stats (things which the cw claims are dispositive and players with mediocre minor league can be nothing but bench players) lead the majors in SS WAR. If the price to upgrade from 2 WAR SS to 3 WAR is high, better stick to 2 WAR. You can get a 1 WAR improvement elsewhere for much cheaper. 8 out of 30. Meaning that a 3 WAR player is clearly one of the best SS's in the game. If we get 3 years of a 3 WAR SS for $1.5 million total (not to mention years 4-6 for a bit more, but still much less than free agent rates), I would be thrilled. Would I love more, of course, but in all reality a cost controlled 3 WAR SS is a gold mine in 2016. Of course Cincy wanted him. They would be stupid not to.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 12:33 PM) Johnson did have a 3.34 ERA, though. When evaluating such a small sample size, the eye test becomes more useful. Johnson looked more effective than Carroll. He gave up a lot of walks and homers, and got pretty lucky to have that ERA.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 12:32 PM) Slightly different, but last year Sox signed Matt Albers to minor league deal which would guarantee 1.5M if he made the roster. Way back when the Sox signed Colon to a one year deal, he eventually went AWOL. IIRC, they had a ton of guys who were going to battle for those spots and if Colon was healthy, he'd surely get the spot. From what I remember, everyone sucked, Colon got a spot, sucked, and went missing. A few years later he resurfaced as a stud again. IIRC, Turner isn't on a minor league deal. He got a major league contract for $1.5 million.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 12:10 PM) You'd rather have a journeyman, barely hanging onto professional baseball pitcher like Scott Carroll as the 5th starter than a guy who was the International Pitcher of the Year last year and was a top 100 prospect two years ago in Erik Johnson? You can't be serious. Erik Johnson put up a 5.93 FIP last year in his major league time, and Scott Carroll put up one of 3.68 in an almost identical number of major league innings pitched last year. I am not saying Carroll is the answer, but the question isn't as absurd as it might seem.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 12:08 PM) As a role player. I do not think the Sox gave Turner 1.5M to be their 5th starter or even to think they can pencil him into the rotation. I think they gave him the money because they think he provides ability to be a potential swing-man / 6th starter in a pinch or get converted to a reliever. Now they might also think he is a bounce back candidate, but either way, a team that is intending to compete didn't make that move to hand him the 5th spot in the rotation. Just like the Sox didn't sign Beckham to be a starter last year (rather to be a role player). I do not remember the White Sox ever spending major league money on a kid as a safety net at AAA.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 12:02 PM) Agreed. I still think his best shot is potential in the bullpen. Seen plenty of failed starters pan out in the pen. I think Aumont is the leading pick up who has a chance at the pen.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 11:51 AM) $1.5M is not much money in this era (baseball wise). That is less money than the Sox gave Beckham last year. And Beckham was on the major league roster the entire season.

Mark Lazerus ‏@MarkLazerus 15m15 minutes ago Looks like Scuderi and Bickell in, Rozsival and Mashinter out.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 10:54 AM) That's scary. He pitched 9 minor league innings in 2015. How many pitchers the Sox have no interest in do they spend $1.5 million on?

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jan 5, 2016 -> 10:50 AM) Right now I say the 6th starter/long relief man is Jacob Turner. He might even be 5th, or at the very least he is in competition for it.