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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 12:31 PM) The Cespedes news could also be a ploy by the Sox to hurry up the process with Gordon Or have Cespedes in place just in case Gordon falls through.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 11:14 AM) Also true. I will say this, Davis is crazy if he doesn't accept the Orioles' offer. I highly doubt any team offers anything close to a deal of that size. I can't see who else would offer him any where near that number. The Yankees have Texeira The Dodgers have AGonz The Cubs have Rizzo The Tigers have Miguel Texas has Prince The Angels have Pujols The Red Sox have Ortiz, and then probably Hanley. The Giants have Belt, and no cash left. The Nationals have Zimmerman Philly is still stuck with Howard, and they are rebuilding The Blue Jays have Encarnacion Maybe the Astros if they have given up on Singleton?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 11:09 AM) Good comparison, although the offensive environment is completely different today than it was when we signed Dunn, which is why he'll get a f***ton more than Dunn did. Contract inflation is also way different, which helps Davis.

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 10:59 AM) I don't see Davis' overall appeal. Sure, he can hit you 40-50 in a year, but he's bad at D, slow, and can't hit for consistent average. His market reminds me of Adam Dunn when we signed him in 10. It is a limited amount of teams who need him because they already have 1B covered. Past that, he is only one season removed from an Adam Dunn like season where he hit under .200.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 10:29 AM) A good read. Thanks for posting. I didn't realize how close the Sox came to being in the position to have to give up such a high pick if they were to sign a qualified free agent. Yeah and with all of the games on the last day of the season starting at the same time, it was pretty intense to get to that point too.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 10:18 AM) Dick Allen, first player to break $250,000 in salary... with the White Sox. Albert Belle, first player to break $10 million in salary... with the White Sox. Both of which probably happened before you were born, one of which happened before this ownership group took over.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 10:12 AM) OK. You wouldn't make a very good agent. I can see how my status as a sports agent is totally relevant to this conversation, and not just a personal attack.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 10:00 AM) How would one know that without a discussion? Starting with the White Sox history of signing big named free agents to big deals.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 09:50 AM) I agree with that, but the point I am making is if they did offer him the most money, he would definitely have interest playing for the team. And with all 3, if they don't offer them the most money, they will have no interest playing for the White Sox. Or he has no interest in talking to the White Sox because they won't offer the most money.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 09:32 AM) Yeah what's your problem, man? We have 2 guys on this board and (Rock in the past) that have given good intel over time. It helps everyone on the board with transparency and should be appreciated. There's absolutely no reason to be a dick about it. Let's put it out on the table and note that this guy was posting a link to another Sox site two weeks ago.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 09:47 AM) So they were the highest bidder 3 out of 4. These top guys are under pressure from the union to sign the biggest contracts. Heyward was able to say the Cubs didn't offer the most money, but we know while technically it is true, it also is a bit fudged. Again, if the White Sox don't offer the most money for Gordon or Cespedes, they won't be signing them, and if Upton is at the point he is thinking about signing a 1 year pillow because he doesn't want to even consider taking the White Sox money, c'mon man. I think the problem is the assumption the Sox will be offering the Upton the largest deal. This franchise has a lot of history that shows otherwise.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 09:18 AM) Several times. They don't get discounts on everyone. Especially highly coveted free agents, a market they really hadn't been in from 1997-2010. Who offered Adam Dunn, Adam LaRoche, Jose Abreu, David Robertson more money? If they really think or thought they would get one of these guys on a discount because they really want to play for the White Sox, they aren't going to be signing them. The guy tweeting has already shown he is a poser, who apparently likes his status as some sort of insider without inside information. The White Sox could be scared off by the demands, but if you think Upton wouldn't play for the White Sox if they offered the most money because he doesn't want to play for the White Sox, you are kidding yourself. It was reported Astros offered David Robertson more money for sure. The Sox were overbid on Victor Martinez, which led to their bid on Dunn, though most teams weren't interested in Dunn. The Abreu bid was the leader, but only because the biggest spending teams in baseball didn't need a 1B. Adam LaRoche was a two year/ $25 million deal, and has been a bust. I guess that is worth noting that his only other decent offer was a 2/20 from the Marlins.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 09:10 AM) This is also the guy who said don't be surprised the Sox made a move on Christmas Eve. I don't think he has any inside knowledge, just trying to seem like he does. Why wouldn't Upton want to play for the White Sox if they were offering the most money? Preposterous. How often do the White Sox offer the most money, especially in the last decade?

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 09:06 AM) Holiday was the break, now here comes the storm.

There is still a part of me that is surprised the White Sox didn't end up with Bruce in a larger Cincy deal.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 07:17 AM) Tim Anderson & Carson Fulmer [like]

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 10:02 PM) I think the market will develop drastically over the next week or two. I still have a good feeling the Sox get one of the three, too. We as fans ride the highs of getting a good player & expect more right after. A week passes by & that high turns into doubt. Perfectly normal but patience is key with the MLB FA market. As soon as the first of the three signs, the next two will go quickly... I get the feeling.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 09:30 PM) Yes, that is true. However, maybe there is a "method to their madness". By giving the guy more money up front, and less money later, they are providing the player with a tremendous extra motivation to produce. He has a chance to make more money, if he can demonstrate his value. That is one of the things about which I was thinking, when I raised this issue. Think of it this way: One of the biggest concerns about giving a player a big long term contract is that you disincentivise his productivity. Hey, he's got his long term guarantee, it's just human nature to become a little complacent. By continuing to hold out a potentially bigger reward for excellence, you keep him highly motivated. Then, as he approaches the years, in which you are really not that thrilled to be obligated, he opts out, and signs his bigger deal. Now he is both slowing down, because of age, and he is far less motivated, because he has obtained the final big payday. To me, this kind of contract can be an effective way to both keep a player motivated, and possibly avoid the undesirable long term obligation to a player in his declining years. Maybe the Cubs had that precise strategy in mind, when they offered that contract to Hayward. Why not front load a big contract to Cespedes, and give him an opt out, in 3 years? Pay him and motivate him, for the anticipated prime years, and then, let him go, as he approaches his mid 30's, and wish him all the best. Moreover, if he should decide to stay, at least you are paying him less, for what is likely to be a lower level of performance. It also makes it easier to trade him, if the contract is more manageable. Sure. Motivated to leave.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 04:15 PM) They did it with Albert Belle. An opt out, while theoretically nice for the player, usually works out well for the team if they let the player opt out and walk away. I also think giving an opt out also should reduce the guarantee a bit. At the very least it should make the up front money lesser, so there is more incentive for the player to not opt out. It is what is the craziest thing about the deal the Cubs gave to Heyward. Most of hte money is up front, so they are incentivizing him opting out in 3 years.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 04:17 PM) Would of gotten a HAUL for both of them at the deadline. Now....not so much. That is twice the whole, wait until the off-season, plan blew up badly.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 03:59 PM) Hahn could have gained a ton of respect from me had he made the cold blooded move and signed one of the big 3 on Christmas. That would have taken BIG cajones and shown huge dedication. He didn't lose respect from me for not doing it, but my respect for him still remains low. Hopefully he can redeem himself to me and many other fans I am sure that weighed heavily on Hahn's holiday plans.

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QUOTE (peavy44 @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 01:14 PM) He slow down the market these guys want J Heyward money now. Him no want Heymoney.

QUOTE (peavy44 @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 12:21 PM) they said they offer him contract. Him say no information.

QUOTE (peavy44 @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 12:20 PM) Ya idk bucket or rabbit im starting doubt there connections with the white sox. Then why are you wasting your time?