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QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 02:45 PM) Stop what? I'll make my posts less antagonistic on this if you think they are, but Sox aren't going to be abe to sign a Gordon or Upton or Cespedes. They don't have the $$ for that. If I'm wrong there, I'll be the biggest Hahn fan forever. Right now, I want Lexi and want Avi to turn into Little Miggy. What's wrong with that take? I'm just $aying a fan is dreaming if they think we can sign one of those 3. Rock, you make your statements like they are 100 percent fact. I feel I've been reasonable in my assessment of what I see as an overpay. I already said I want Frazier and Sox need Frazier. I could counter your first sentence with Trayce can field and he looked like a guy who could hit; Micah has always been considered a great prospect though his glove was thoroughly disappointing in his one stint with the Sox and Montas throws 100 and is supposed to be a certain big leaguer. If you bet the house against it, I know it will be done.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 01:10 PM) Misspelled Frazier Got it

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 01:01 PM) Isn't it really like 5 people that are negative vs. 25+ that are positive? I think their is a segment, including myself, that views this deal as positive as long as it isn't the final piece. If we are going to contend, we need to build a team that truly can contend. That team exists if we find a significant upgrade in the OF (offensively and defensively). Anything more, at that point, is gravy. I think the package with the Reds was fair and I love the fact that Frazier can play above average D. Only thing I don't like about Frazier's game is the lack of OBP. I put a poll up. I am curious how the numbers tally out.

This is based on how you feel right now about the trade, and not what happens a year from now. Give your gut reaction, did the Sox or Reds win? Vote now.

Fed gives us the first interest rate in almost 10 years, raising 25 Bps, mentions gradual increases going forward.

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 10m10 minutes ago Mike Napoli signs one-year, $7 million contract with #Indians after they fail to land Todd Frazier, per @Ken_Rosenthal and @alexspeier

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 3m3 minutes ago Over the last three seasons, Todd Frazier's 18 Defensive Runs Saved are fifth among all third baseman in the majors. #WhiteSox

QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:49 PM) The likelihood is the key part of the equation though. If you're gonna trade future for present, you have to be confident that the result will be reasonably likely to make the postseason. In my mind, the Sox are not at that level. If they fix Avi's slot, they'll be closer, and then I'll find the Frazier trade more acceptable. In a vaccum, we got a good return for some pieces I'll miss a little. It's not a vacuum. Except we didn't really trade "the future". We traded flawed players that needed a lot to go right to be "the future". The Future is still here in Anderson, Fulmer, and Adams.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:39 PM) I don't really get the logic. The team is better on paper today than it was yesterday. Is the roster perfect? Hell no but one thing at a time. At least now they have some legit proven everyday infielders and won't be trotting out marginal guys like Sanchez, Micah and an aging overpriced Ramirez. The team has a s*** load of holes a couple are now filled. More work needs to be done and some positive regression will go a long way. This is very accurate. This is a much better, but still flawed team. Not quite sure why a team has to be a playoff team to be watchable, but to each his own.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:35 PM) And exactly what they've been doing for a decade. On the bright side, this will save you a lot of time watching baseball next year.

Exactly what should happen next.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:30 PM) Farm systems are for trades for the most part. You keep your special guys. Which is exactly what the Sox did.

Come on, you knew Rick would come through.

Ain't no grammar Nazi gonna tell me what to do.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:26 PM) 670 tries their hardest to be extreme in their opinions, its trash radio, stay away. It is the National Enquirer of Sports Talk. They say stupid things for attention and reaction.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:23 PM) Hate this deal for a lot of reasons. 1. Avi - Eaton - Melky OF is all but confirmed. Another year of negative WAR from both corners really make acquiring Lawrie and Frazier pointless. The only internal option that maybe makes a splash just got traded for... 2. The next player to come to the White Sox and collapse. Frazier is about to cross the 30 barrier and look at his 2nd half splits last year. Look at how bad he was. Hard time seeing him turning it around, especially with the Sox track record of aging sluggers. 3. We gave up 3 dynamic players. Thompson is a great defender, Micah has that speed, Montas has the big fastball. These guys were all set to the contribute in different, meaningful ways and instead the Sox dealt them for the same exact kind of player we've seen every offseason since 2005. I see the exact opposite. I don't know how you add Lawrie and Frazier, but not another OF now.

QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:22 PM) I get that but I don't consider him a "big" addition or a major move that will impact the team. The A's basically gave him to the Sox. All you have to do is look at the production from who he is replacing to know that it will impact the team.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:19 PM) /thread Agreed.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:18 PM) In 2013, Gordon Beckham's RC+ at 2b was 90 (his best year there). Lawrie's RC+ last year was 94. You are expecting Gordon Beckham to do that again?

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) Spiegel speculating Courtney Hawkins as a 4th outfielder this coming season. Turns off radio... Somewhere JB Shuck just cried a little.

QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:11 PM) Lawrie had an OBP of .299 and was a 0.6 WAR player last year. You can always hope for the best but it's not like we picked up the 2nd coming of Joe Morgan. Even if you assume he repeats those numbers, and doesn't benefit at all from not playing in Oakland again, his OPS is over 100 points greater than Carlos Sanchez who finished the season at 2B, and 130 points better than Micah Johson who started there.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:07 PM) The beat guys are saying the organization loves Saladino at SS, wanted to build up offense around him. With the additions of Fraizer and Lawrie now at 2B, instead of 3B, you can hide a guy like Saladino better, especially if they can add a power bat in the OF too.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:06 PM) I posted this yesterday but Frazier's salary + Saladino's salary + Alexei's buyout I think this increases the chances of Alexei coming back.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 11:47 AM) Why? He still shouldn't be in the big leagues this year and the Dodgers have already shown they won't rush a guy to the bigs just to fill a bullpen role. He won't have a chance to start in LA. Way more pitchers in front of him for the starting rotation than the pen. Especially as guys like Ryu and BMac come back.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) Sounds a lot more reliable than Kyyle23 or Steve9347 And better looking.