December 26, 201510 yr The votes are in, and will be announced on Jan 6th at 5pm. So far 103 voters have made their votes public, which is about 23% of the total. Griffey - 100% Piazza - 90.3% Bagwell - 84.5% Raines - 81.6% I'm starting not to really care anymore, but my ballot would be: Griffey, Piazza, Bagwell, Bonds, Clemens, Mussina, Schilling, Raines, McGriff, and Trammell I'm not a Hoffman guy at all, and every one else on the ballot falls short for me too. https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=F...AC7uZHAmcVGWgwE
December 26, 201510 yr Raines better get in. He has just this year and next left on the ballot. There's a good chance he is going to get f***ed by the new ten year rule.
December 26, 201510 yr Author QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Dec 26, 2015 -> 12:03 PM) Raines better get in. He has just this year and next left on the ballot. There's a good chance he is going to get f***ed by the new ten year rule. Hopefully he gets in over the next two years, but I have a feeling down the road, they'll come up with other ways to get in the Hall besides a 16-person committee.
December 27, 201510 yr QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 26, 2015 -> 11:39 AM) I'm starting not to really care anymore, but my ballot would be: Griffey, Piazza, Bagwell, Bonds, Clemens, Mussina, Schilling, Raines, McGriff, and Trammell ...
December 27, 201510 yr If Piazza gets in, then Bagwell should have no more excuses not to. Hell, I've been pro Bonds getting in for years now. Griffey Jr. may very well be the last "clean" no doubter left for a while.
December 30, 201510 yr Author Raines has fallen under 80%, with about 27% of the ballots made public. https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=F...AC7uZHAmcVGWgwE Looking like Griffey and Piazza will get in, with Bagwell on the cusp. Unfortunately, I think Raines will go backwards from here and fall short.
December 30, 201510 yr QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 26, 2015 -> 11:19 PM) ... should we go back and exclude hall of famers from prior to the steroid era that were using greenies and coke and amphetamines like it was going out of style?
December 30, 201510 yr QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 12:04 PM) should we go back and exclude hall of famers from prior to the steroid era that were using greenies and coke and amphetamines like it was going out of style? Sooooooooooo not the same as PED's.
December 30, 201510 yr QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 12:04 PM) should we go back and exclude hall of famers from prior to the steroid era that were using greenies and coke and amphetamines like it was going out of style? Guys that get caught cheating in a significant way should not be allowed into the HoF. Do criminals that were caught red-handed get let off because others got away with their crimes? And past injustices should not stop us from getting the system right going forward. Blame Bud Selig and whoever else was responsible for letting the game get to a point where cheating was running rampant, but how can anyone argue HoF voters should turn a blind eye as well. We can never take away what guys like Bonds & Sosa accomplished on the field, but we definitely shouldn't celebrate them by putting them into the Hall. Edited December 30, 201510 yr by Chicago White Sox
December 30, 201510 yr Man so much of the hall is just sentimentality now. Bunch of idiots. If Raines announced he had pancreatic cancer he'd probably get in.
December 30, 201510 yr QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 12:12 PM) Sooooooooooo not the same as PED's. Its cheating, regardless. And many of those guys were never caught with anything, just talked about. Bagwell and Piazza specifically QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 12:23 PM) Guys that get caught cheating in a significant way should not be allowed into the HoF. Do criminals that were caught red-handed get let off because others got away with their crimes? And past injustices should not stop us from getting the system right going forward. Blame Bud Selig and whoever else was responsible for letting the game get to a point where cheating was running rampant, but how can anyone argue HoF voters should turn a blind eye as well. We can never take away what guys like Bonds & Sosa accomplished on the field, but we definitely shouldn't celebrate them by putting them into the Hall. GMAB, the hall of fame is a popularity contest and it will never be right going forward, there will ALWAYS be cheaters somehow. People want to pick and choose what is ok to look past, and bottom line is none of it is ok to look past, but people have been looking past it forever, The steroid era happened, everyone is under suspicion in that era. I dont even care anymore, Bonds was a HOFer before and after he bulked up.
December 30, 201510 yr QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 12:34 PM) Its cheating, regardless. And many of those guys were never caught with anything, just talked about. Bagwell and Piazza specifically GMAB, the hall of fame is a popularity contest and it will never be right going forward, there will ALWAYS be cheaters somehow. People want to pick and choose what is ok to look past, and bottom line is none of it is ok to look past, but people have been looking past it forever, The steroid era happened, everyone is under suspicion in that era. I dont even care anymore, Bonds was a HOFer before and after he bulked up. Lol...people pick and choose what they want to look past based on the best info that's readily available info. The guys who were caught red-handed are the guys getting punished right now. Guys like Bagwell & Piazza who were never caught using PEDs shouldn't be excluded from the Hall because of some unconfirmed speculation. Sucks that some cheaters will certainly get in, but it's beyond ridiculous to suggest we let all PED users in so the writers don't have to pick and choose. Either don't cheat or don't get caught. There should be absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for guys who cheated for years on years.
December 30, 201510 yr QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 01:03 PM) Lol...people pick and choose what they want to look past based on the best info that's readily available info. The guys who were caught red-handed are the guys getting punished right now. Guys like Bagwell & Piazza who were never caught using PEDs shouldn't be excluded from the Hall because of some unconfirmed speculation. Sucks that some cheaters will certainly get in, but it's beyond ridiculous to suggest we let all PED users in so the writers don't have to pick and choose. Either don't cheat or don't get caught. There should be absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for guys who cheated for years on years. Dont confuse me not caring with sympathy. If players have the numbers to be among the elite of their time, then they should be hall of famers IMO
December 30, 201510 yr Agreeing with Kyle and Bmags. The Hall is dumb. There are probably roiders in the HoF. People used drugs to enhance peformance when it was greenies. And you know what? Who's worse for the game - Barry Bonds or Ty Cobb? One used roids and went from a Hall of Famer to possibly the best ever and the other was a racist that beat up a crippled fan.
December 30, 201510 yr The known PEDs users are just NOT getting in, which is as it should be. If you rewarded them, what message would you be sending kids?
December 30, 201510 yr QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) Agreeing with Kyle and Bmags. The Hall is dumb. There are probably roiders in the HoF. People used drugs to enhance peformance when it was greenies. And you know what? Who's worse for the game - Barry Bonds or Ty Cobb? One used roids and went from a Hall of Famer to possibly the best ever and the other was a racist that beat up a crippled fan. The logic is counterproductive. Just because guys didn't get in trouble for lynching in the old days, should we not punish cops for shooting kids in cold blood today? It is a different day and age. Players knew what they were doing was against the rules, and if caught could ruin their careers. It shouldn't be a shock when it does. Unless the Hall of Fame wants to come out with a directive that states otherwise, I fully expect steroid usage to be something considered when voting for HOF candidates.
December 30, 201510 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 26, 2015 -> 12:00 PM) I'd really be happy to see Raines finally get in. I hope he makes it also.
December 30, 201510 yr Raines should 100% be in. My ballot would be: Griffey Piazza* Bagwell Raines Edmonds Martinez Trammell Mussina I still think Dale Murphy got shafted, but he's no longer on the ballot. Piazza I am having a hard time with PED-wise, but the evidence on him is just too thin for me to weigh it in. Clemens and Bonds the evidence is huge, clearly they're out for me. Mussina and Schilling are tough calls for me, could go either way on both.
December 30, 201510 yr QUOTE (Soxfest @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 02:31 PM) I hope he makes it also. Can I get in? Please.
December 30, 201510 yr Author When it comes to PEDs, I draw the line at the Mitchell Report. Before that, MLB practically wanted players to take PEDs. I don't condone them, but it was going to happen without a real testing program and putting a stigma on taking them. After the Mitchell Report, there should be Zero Tolerance...just short of a lifetime ban. The party should be over as much as possible. So for Bonds and Clemens, yeah, I'd hold my nose and vote for them. Guys like Sosa and McGwire, I can use my common sense and say they wouldn't have Hall-like numbers without PEDs. Obviously there are tougher calls since we don't know one way or the other (Piazza and Bagwell), but the Steroid Era existed, and they might as well put the best-of-the-best from that era in, and move on.
January 1, 201610 yr All the other stuff aside, pumped to see Griffey get in. It was so cool seeing one of my favorite players ever contribute in some small way with the Sox. Still the sweetest swing ever.
January 1, 201610 yr QUOTE (Heads22 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 10:57 PM) All the other stuff aside, pumped to see Griffey get in. It was so cool seeing one of my favorite players ever contribute in some small way with the Sox. Still the sweetest swing ever. And despite how short his stint was with the Sox, his plaque will forever say played with Mariners, 1989-1999, 2009-2010, Reds 2000-2008, White Sox, 2008 and thats pretty cool to have the Sox listed on one of the greatest players ever's plaque.
January 1, 201610 yr QUOTE (Heads22 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 11:57 PM) All the other stuff aside, pumped to see Griffey get in. It was so cool seeing one of my favorite players ever contribute in some small way with the Sox. Still the sweetest swing ever. What if Ken Griffey Jr. had stayed healthy http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11372312...-stayed-healthy
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