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Colleen Kane ‏@ChiTribKane 2m2 minutes ago Erik Johnson now listed as the probable White Sox starter Saturday against the Tigers. Frankie Montas slated for the season finale Sunday.

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Phil Rogers ‏@philgrogers 38m38 minutes ago In ranking Sally League prospects, BA ranks White Sox 2nd-rounder Spencer Adams ahead of Tyler Kolek, who Marlins took 2nd overall in '2014.

At this point I am rooting for Rick Hahn to have a good off season, plus the Hawks, Bulls and my local HS basketball team to have big years.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 02:42 PM) very true to some extents. overpaying is not a case. i keep coming back to the phillies run and how they tried to keep everyone together. then their run is over and they were laden with some unmovable contracts. i like the improvement thru attrition philosophy ..... With that philosophy Toews and Kane would be wearing other jerseys this year.

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QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 02:38 PM) Everyone wants to keep the core together. Until they have to re-sign them. The NHL and NFL systems are set up to try to destroy dynasties and promote parity. When you have as many successful teams and players as the Hawks do, it gets tougher and tougher to keep it together.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 02:31 PM) i understand your point and explanation. but for me, it comes down to the length of the contract with no outs after 5 yrs. sometimes it is wise to cut bait and walk away. seabs didn't offer any help to the org, let him walk. use the money in a different way. that is if he and his agent did not want to sign a fair contact for a fair amount of yrs (5yrs). if not, after 2015-2016 season he is a free agent. i am sure the hawks could get a nice younger dman in the fa next yr. btw, many posters sure wasn't keen on him before. Am I the only one who saw how shallow our D core was last year after a couple of injuries to the not top players?

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 02:04 PM) you may be right, i can't dispute this. this is much more info than i do know. i will keep it simple. 5yr is a great length of a contract anything more is a waste. only time will tell if i am wrong. but nothing can be done about it. it is a moot point. Cap hit is based on a dollar average of all of the years of a deal. The reason these deals go so long is to put low paying years at the end, to balance out the high years at the front. Instead of just paying the guy 9 million a season for the next four years, they included cheaper years at the end, so that the average is lower, and thus the cap hit is lower. It is an 8 year deal in name only. Also the Hawks are FAR from the only team to do that. That is why Rick DiPietro got a 15 year contract. Vincent Lecavalier got an 11 year deal. Sidney Crosby got a 12 year deal.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 01:26 PM) first you are trying justify the extra 3 yrs of the contract. the money on the table, this is the money of the contract is fair. iwould doubt seabs would fine anything close to that contract as a fa. so this means after this season, the 2016, season, he walks. ok, there will fa's out there. the contract also guarantees support for those yrs he will start to decline. but for 5 yrs. why screw the future when the window of opportunity is now and for the next 4-5 yrs. they will need some room to start rebuilding or getting newer players in the lineup. If the entire contract doesn't exist, the cap hit is MUCH higher because the years that bring the average down are not included.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 01:25 PM) Sure, but you can keep the future in mind while taking care of today. They aren't the Detroit Tigers with Illitch. And it's not like Seabrook gave them a discount for the present day anyway, it's still a top 10 cap hit out of all defensemen. They can't be the Tigers because hockey has a salary cap.

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Atlanta Braves ‏@Braves 13m13 minutes ago #Braves President of Baseball Operations John Hart announced today that John Coppolella has been named as the club’s General Manager

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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 01:02 PM) Sure, you would lose Seabrook but still have nearly $7 million to spend on another player. It might be a slight downgrade, but you also wouldn't be as screwed in the future. The Chicago Blackhawks shouldn't be worrying about 2024. Their window is now.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 12:56 PM) who is to know what the roster will look like. remember even dynasty has a end date. no matter how much we, the fans hates that idea. being burden with another unmovable contract is all i am talking about. this team will need to find players who can step in in later yrs. nice point tho. They absolutely have an expiration date, which is why you are trying to win while Kane/Toews/Keith is all in their prime, and not worring about Brent Seabrook at age 37/38/39 in the next decade. This contract allows the team somewhere in the neighborhood of another $2 million a year in cap space while this core is in its prime. That is what this deal is all about. Using real life numbers, saving $2 million on Seabrook is the same salary as Andrew Shaw. Are you willing to give up Andrew Shaw next year to sign Brent Seabrook to a shorter deal? Teuvo is a cap hit of just under $1.5 million going forward. Would it be OK to lose him to keep Brent Seabrook at a shorter contract? That is what I am talking about.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 12:37 PM) Micah Johnson has 114 major league plate appearances. 114!! People on this board want to sell everything for prospects but freak out and write players off as soon as they struggle. Micah is awful defensively and I have my doubts that he'll be a White Sox long-term but good lord people. He had a wRc+ of 145 at Charlotte this year. He's a really good prospect still. The one thing we know is that the kid is a hitter. We don't know if he can field, and we don't know if he can stay healthy enough to play 150 games. With the spot the White Sox are in, the only way you give up Micah is if you get a starting player in a position of need, such as Catcher or 3B.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 12:52 PM) but isn't his contract front loaded?? But the cap hit is even through the whole contract

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 12:39 PM) But the cap hit from 2021-2024 for a 36-39 year old player would have been zero. Puck Daddy: Regarding that really bad Brent Seabrook extension So you would be giving up a player from the current roster in all likelihood, in the years when the team has the best chance to win to save for 2021 to 2024.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 12:30 PM) I disagree. Abreu is under contract through 2019. Eaton is under control through 2021. The precious commodity in the modern game is offensive talent. The Sox have Abreu and Eaton who can be here for years to come at a high level. Hopefully Trayce will prove out to be a league average offensive player, and a plus defensive player. If the Sox trade from their position of strength (developing pitching), then I don't think they would miss Sale and Quintana for 2016, which will likely be Ventura's final losing season. And then they would be in a better position for the collective team in 2017 and beyond. Sale and Quintana are both signed long term as well. The problem being that by the time you repair the damage from those deals, Abreu and Eaton will be about done here, if everything goes right.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 11:08 AM) you do make a nice point, i think that, at least for me, i will not answer for anyone else, the problem is not the money he is getting. but the length of the contract for 8 yrs. i also think that 4 even 5 yrs is a great length. so i also feels he deserves the monetary raise, but 8 yrs........ The cap hit of a 4 or 5 year contract would have been millions more per year.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 11:46 AM) Trade Sale and Quintana. Get as many offensive prospects as possible, plus a starter or two that have top of the rotation upside, but maybe a year or two away. Bank on the collective pool of starting pitchers (the two they could get, Rodon, Fulmer, Johnson, Adams, Danish, Montas) being enough for 2017. That said, never going to happen. If you trade both of those two, there is zero reason for Eaton and Abreu, or pretty much anyone else over a year of service time, to be on the roster on opening day.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 11:25 AM) yeah i know what you mean, i just check that up to the org pr machine. I'd like to hear what organization out there is talking down their players.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 11:19 AM) DJ does an excellent job breaking down at bats when an important one is up. I have no doubt that if DJ were broadcasting for another team people would be praising him as an announcer. I think what gets people is that the guy has an odd and dry sense of humor. Farmer had the same problem of getting his jokes when they started together.

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