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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 06:40 PM) If you wanted to get rid of Danks, we should have traded him to the Angels for Josh Hamilton and gobs of money. TBH, I was kind of surprised that didn't happen over the winter.

This thread is being closed for now. The game is cancelled. When there is information on a make up date, it will be posted in a separate thread. Meanwhile, this is the appropriate place to talk about what is going on in Baltimore. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...p;#entry3148474

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 04:47 PM) LOL Prove yours. The fact he is still with the team. Now you.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 04:41 PM) No but if showed this sprimg he couldn't play, he wouldn't be a Yankee. BS. Prove it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 04:38 PM) ARod has 5 homers He didn't this off season.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 04:34 PM) So you are essentially saying that the White Sox would rather lose games than eat John Danks contract. That they really don't think he should be in the rotation but they send him out there every 5th day because they have to pay him a lot of money. If that is true, its pretty damning. Welcome to MLB in 2015. Even the yankees brought back Arod, and there are no deeper pockets in baseball.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 04:30 PM) Well, of course....we saw that last year with Rienzo, Axelrod, Carroll and Johnson. That's still NOT THE SAME as he's anything but very much below average. Someone will come here and say that's among the "qualified" guys and there are many other starters who are worse. Sure, that's true, but it doesn't mean he isn't a problem or drag on the team's ability to be competitive, any more than those same spot starters / long men / AAAA guys aren't issues to overcome for their respective teams. Quality depth, it's hard to come by, unless you're the Nationals, Tigers (seems like most of their replacements overperform expectations, like Lobstein) or A's. Carroll's ERA + of 80 last year is actually better than John Danks current mark of 73. Danks mark last year was 81. Carroll's 2014 FIP was 4.77. Danks was 4.76 in 2014, and 4.90 in 2015.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 04:25 PM) I'm not praising the guy. The White Sox aren't going to have a team of 13 Chris Sale's and 12 Jose Abreu's. A guy like Danks who gives the team a chance to win with a decent enough game has a role, I'm not enthusiastically awaiting his starts but I'm also not just burying the guy. It can get worse, people. It can get so much worse. Really it doesn't much worse. Stat after stat has ranked John Danks as one of the worst full time starting pitchers in all of baseball for a few years now. It also changes when you have Carlos Rodon waiting for his job.

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QUOTE (beautox @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 04:03 PM) Danks and Hamilton? how is that remotely comparable? last i checked John is actually out there throwing productive innings and doesn't have a substance abuse problem. Productive? Hardly. He hasn't had an ERA+ of 90, or FIP under 4.00 since 2011. His 2015 number is actually less than his ERA+ of 2014, Even his FIP stands are 4.90 this season. Don't let the strike outs from yesterday fool you. John Danks is still a bad pitcher.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 03:56 PM) I wasn't referring to injury, I was referring to the fact that they kept losing games down the stretch because their arms didn't have it in them to finish. If Rodon is solid but a rookie who struggles on occasion for 3 months and then bad and tired for 2 months, that's really not a huge improvement to me. Odds are that when you push him out to 160 IP he will have some dead arm periods. Odds are also pretty high that Rodon plus a month of [insert AAAA pitcher] is better than a full year of John Danks. If you can get someone to take John Danks off of your hands without you having to pay outrageous amounts of his contract, you do it in a heartbeat.

QUOTE (beautox @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 03:51 PM) The dodgers esentially just paid 2.75m for the 74th pick from the O's in the Ryan Webb deal. Here are two really good resources on the recent value of a draft pick here and here. If the sox pick up some of Dank's contract I don't think the 39th pick is out of the question. I agree but even though it is Phil, the cards are going to have to find someone to give them reliable innings in Waino's spot. Danks will give you reliable innings... You can rely on them to be bad.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 03:47 PM) Its not impossible he gets traded, but no way the Sox get something as valuable as a comp/balance pick. More like they have to ship some money with him and still get just a roll-the-dice A-ball reliever. It is either that or pick up another bad contract in return.

Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan 2m2 minutes ago Chris Rongey handling radio play by play here and for Minnesota series. Ed Farmer off for personal reasons.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 03:32 PM) It doesn't sound like a "win right now" move to me but at the same time we've got Phil Rogers appearing in posts speculating on Danks to the Cardinals. Rodon>Danks is the very definition of a WIN NOW move.

Good ol' Phil Rogers. The White Sox might as well put a sign out front of USCF that states "free to a not so good home" with John Danks picture on it. Of course STL would get him and turn him back into a good pitcher, because that is what happens to any P who goes to STL.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 03:24 PM) I would bet anything Hahn wouldn't do that. He wouldn't trade the guy who has been one of the worst starting pitchers in all of baseball and still owed nearly $30 million on a lottery ticket owed half of that amount of money when he has one of the best prospects in all of baseball here to take that starting pitchers job? He'd be a damned fool if he wouldn't. Hell he could release Salty and it would be a positive to open a job for Rodon and free up a lot of payroll simultaenously.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 03:16 PM) Rodon has an innings limit. Then you are stuck, assuming no other injuries with Johnson, Beck or Montas. If you are in contention, that could be a problem. If it were for a player who could help you, fine. But Salty isn't as good as Flowers or Geo. The difference between John Danks and Carlos Rodon is worth it even if you need a few weeks of another starter, and Salty doesn't rebound. Not to mention it frees up $7 million each season that could be used to bring in another player to help you. The tough part wouldn't be convincing Rick Hahn, it would be convincing Jeff Loria.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 8m8 minutes ago Source: #Rangers’ obligation to Hamilton less than $7M over three years, as was previously reported. Hamilton can opt out after two years… …#Angels obligated to pay entire buyout if Hamilton opts out. Exact dollar figure of buyout not yet known.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 02:50 PM) Why would that be ideal? How is Salty an upgrade? Not only can't he hit, he is regarded as the worst pitch framer in baseball by both methods. Salty isn't good enough to be on the White Sox. I understand saving money, but Danks has been pretty good his last couple starts. The Sox aren't cash starved. No reason to dump a pitcher just to save money. John Danks hasn't had a "pretty good" season since 2010, and you are looking to make room for Carlos Rodon. It isn't that difficult.