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Get better players would be a great fucking place to start. Who on gods green earth thought Nicky Lopez or Martin Maldonado were answers to this teams problem? Oh right Chris Getz. Aren't GMs responsible for positional coaches? How about that? Maybe someone that can teach fundementals to major league players? It's absurd that I have to list off the literal job of a GM as what a GM could be doing to make his team better, like this is some big secret.

The last Mike Trout contract is going to be there.

Their position player group is by far the worst in baseball. Dude even went out and preached about bringing in all of these defenders to improve things and still managed to put out literally the worst defense in baseball. He acquired low floor players who he then was scared to play. He has churned somewhere around 70 players through this roster trying to find anyone who can play. There is plenty to judge Getz on.

I am definitely not writing off Thorpe. Personally I didn't want him here yet, and we saw that he's still not quite where he needs to be with his control, but you also saw an insane change, plenty of pitches, and flashes of greatness at times too.

The idea that the GM isn't responsible for how the roster preforms is new on me.

So what you are saying is that people saw him and adjusted. Interesting.

I do agree with this. Fill out the pitching and be done with it.

This is going to be a terrible baseball team next year, no question. A 20 game improvement over what they are doing now gets us back up to a 100 loss team. We need 40 games to get back to .500

About 30 slots ahead of Oscar Colas peak. Where is he at?

You can judge Getz on the fact that pretty much every single position player regressed and/or failed. It is really, really hard to inherit a 100 loss team and make it 20 games worse.

They figured it out two years ago and apparently you missed it.

He DHd 104 times last year and OFd 14.

He played the OF once this year.

LA was not going to DFA Vargas.

So does Schultz. Are we knocking him down too? It might not be now, but it will come eventually.

I use the term invest loosely, as it is infinitely cheaper than what we have been doing. I promise you for the price of Nicky Lopez we could have a top notch front office operation from top to bottom.

The move at least made sense at the time. He was a buy low opportunity on what had been a high flying lefty starter before we had guys like Schultz and Crochet really doing anything. Eder hasn't bounced back from injury, but that move at least makes sense.

He's a 96 OPS+ this year.

Jake Burger is a below average hitter who can't play any defense. You can argue the return for him sucked, but moving him for any value at all was 100% the right move.

Sure feels like it.

This is what kills me. If you want to be cheap, that's fine. There are routes to success on that path. Tampa has done a great job there, as had Cleveland. WTF are we doing?

Yeah the whole idea was that Chris Getz was going to be some sort of self-evaluation wiz and cut time off of our return to competitiveness, but the results have been pretty lacking.

Come on man. The major league team is on pace for 40 wins. 40 wins TOTAL. Literally on pace to the the worst team in MLB HISTORY, since the formation of the American League in 1901. The AAA team is 9 games under .500, and has one prospect who has had a big year on it. The AA team won the first half, but has slumped pretty hard since that point, currently 8 over .500. The A+ team is 22 games under .500 The A team has had a big year, 30 games over. The rookie team is 8 games under. The DSL team was 12 games under .500 on their one DSL team, where the Sox have historically underspent almost all of baseball. Even if they start going full next year, that talent is probably 5-7 years away because of their age. As a whole, the minor league system is basically 20 games under .500. Their ranking is 8th as whole according to BA. They still majorly lack high end offensive talent to any degree which could fill the holes that currently exist on the major league roster, let alone when guys like Robert and Crochet are inevitably dealt. At best there is some if you squint type of talent in the lowest levels of the minors. The deals this team made at the deadline were nationally mocked for lacking game changing talent. You might not like the so called "narrative", but there is a very legitimate reason it exists. Even if you want to assume that the White Sox somehow do something they haven't been willing to do for the last 45 years and make actual investments in the on the field management team, and player development, scouting, and the international markets those things are still years away from paying dividends, even if they are 100% done the right way. You dismiss this as a "narrative", the rest of us see it as reality.

I mean that was the whole point of taking a pessimistic view of how long this would take. We KNEW that Jerry wasn't going to spend for while, and even when it does, it won't be in the A tier.

Hahn actually did have a fair amount of experience coming up through the organization and serving as a long time assistant GM, who even turned down interviews for other GM jobs.