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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 23, 2014 -> 01:07 PM) Again, none of those guys are comparable to Rodon getting drafted at 3 (assuming you meant Jered which was the biggest fiasco ever but still not comparable). Boras will pull shenanigans and probably not sign until the last minute, but he's not risking his client who has already lost mph on his pitches back to school on so little monetary improvement when he's the 3rd pick already. He risks his clients all of the time. Many times he loses, so that shows he isn't afraid to go down a dangerous road.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 23, 2014 -> 12:41 PM) Appel fell down to 8. Not comparable to our pick. The change in dollars that can paid to him is drastic enough that if he wants 1-1 money, he can't get it from us without giving up basically the rest of our draft, sans a couple of picks over 100k.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 23, 2014 -> 12:31 PM) Agree the signability issues are overblown. He will sign. But it still sucks that he's a Boras client. He will take forever to sign, delaying what should be a rapid ascent to the majors. We also want a superstar with our pick (who doesn't?) And it sucks to know we aren't getting a second contract with the guy unless he dumps his agent. But yeah that's ridiculously far down the line to worry about. Hope we draft him if he's there. Seeing the route that Appel took, I don't think you can fairly make that assumption with what we know about this situation.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 23, 2014 -> 11:28 AM) There's no way in hell the Sox choose Noesi over Rienzo assuming results keep steady. The thing here is that Noesi can't be send down without exposing him to waivers. Rienzo can.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 23, 2014 -> 11:35 AM) Gordon completely whiffed on a double play to the bag before any run scored Bingo. Not even a tough play either. Didn't show up as an error in the box score because he never got a glove on it.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 23, 2014 -> 11:07 AM) We can try to spin it all we want but he's been terrible outside his second start against the Cubs. First start he wasn't stretched out at all to be fair and died by giving up 4er and 6 baserunners in just 3.2 IP. Next start he was good. 5 IP with 6ks and 5 baserunners. 3rd start was technically a quality one but he gave up 8 hits and 3 walks in just 6 IP. Can't keep that up. 4th start was more of the same except without the luck. 8 hits, 3 walks, 6 runs 5 earned. Hope he turns it around tonight since I have first row seats. If the defense doesn't f*** him in the 4th game, his numbers look WAY different, plus he is probably able to pitch at least another inning. There is very good chance he gets out of the first inning untouched if that double play is turned.

QUOTE (chw42 @ May 23, 2014 -> 10:50 AM) And I don't think Noesi's been THAT bad for the Sox. He's been fairly serviceable. He's been the king of "one bad inning" so far. That first start you could tell he was tired. Defense really betrayed him in Houston.

QUOTE (Boogua @ May 23, 2014 -> 10:33 AM) I have no idea why there has to be some sort of justification for hating Lebron and the Heat. I can only imagine Bulls fans in the late 80s saying "Come on guys, why do you hate the Pistons? They're a great team and Isaiah is really a stud point guard who even tried to make it so that he was drafted by the Bulls" Or Celtics fans in the 80s "Come guys, why the hate for Magic and the Lakers? Magic is one of the most pleasant stars in the league and it's showtime baby, how entertaining is that?" How about the Knicks fans of the early 90s? "Come on guys, why the venom for Jordan and the Bulls? He's likely the greatest player ever and you should just appreciate his presence." Or the Pacers fans of the 90s, "Come on guys, lets not hate the Knicks or Bulls. They both have fantastic players and we should just appreciate them." I'm sure Kings fans were questioned for disliking the Lakers in the early 00s. I'm sure Trailblazers fans rooted for the lakers too (Come on guys, how many times do you get to see talents like Kobe and Shaq pair up?" This is idiotic. How many fans root for dynasties across sports? Do you think the majority of the people liked the Patriots? Do a lot of nonhawks fan root for them? (I honestly don't know that one because I'm not huge with hockey) Maybe I'm just more passionate than others. It reminds me of a friend that asked me, "Why do you hate Aaron Rodgers? He owns." I know he owns, but that doesn't stop me from hating his f***ing guts. Fully agreed. Great post.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 23, 2014 -> 08:02 AM) If we take Nola, it better be for under-slot. There is no doubt it would be. Would it be worth an extra $500k or million dollars to spread around the draft board?

QUOTE (Jake @ May 22, 2014 -> 09:20 PM) I wouldn't be pissed off about Nola - he's Wacha-esque to me in that nobody sees the upside in him because of how high his floor is. I've never seen this kid, but that name popped into my head because every said the same things about him.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ May 23, 2014 -> 08:26 AM) Donald Sterling is going to tell his girlfriend not to post pictures of herself with Adam Dunn? No, he has AIDS and sleeps with lots of chicks.

We all know JR isn't a pushover, and he isn't afraid to push his opinion. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot of truth there.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ May 23, 2014 -> 08:46 AM) BTW what I'm saying above is basically what Steverson seems to be preaching, don't help the pitcher out but get your pitch and be aggressive when you get it. Great approach for really anyone but especially flawed hitters. You can see his stress of approach versus what we have seen in years past. I wonder if past hitting coaches spent more time on the mechanics of the swing, than the psychology of the swing? The difference this year in so many of our hitters is just shockingly drastic. Dunn, Flowers, Viciedo, Ramirez, etc... they have plans up there this year. When they see a pitch, they seem to recognize the pitch, AND have an idea what they want to do with it. I'm not sure that was happening before.

That was some vintage Chris Sale, which sounds funny to say about a kid who is 25 years old.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 22, 2014 -> 07:16 PM) Obviously I was being facetious. Still, I'm sure if our first round draft pick becomes a Cy Young winner, Cooper will be given more/most of the credit for selecting him, especially if the other two blow up injury-wise or don't make a huge big league impact. When you have a consistent history of grabbing other people's trash and turning them into good pitchers for periods of time, you are going to be a well respected pitching coach.

The Tigers duck another long term contract disaster.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 22, 2014 -> 06:41 PM) Sure, buddy. Why don't you go watch some old Blackhawks games from back in the day. Oh that's right. You weren't a fan back then. #blackhawksSinceBirth Right... back to the non sequitors.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 22, 2014 -> 04:30 PM) Man, some of y'all need to get some Heat therapy or something. Ibaka is out and you don't see, "f***! s***! damn! Another lucky break for the Spurs!" The LeBron nut huggers are twice as bad. They have no real reason to attach to the guy, except for frontrunning.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 22, 2014 -> 04:11 PM) C'mon, you honestly don't think Don Cooper had any opinion about Gio TWICE? Wasn't familiar with him at all? That KW just went all rogue twice and traded him without any commentary from the best pitching coach in baseball? The point is that we also have to hold someone accountable for misjudging talent, if we're going to give Cooper all the credit for choosing to protect Quintana over Santiago (and trading Santiago wasn't even an option, in all likelihood), then who do we blame for Mark Teahen or Nick Swisher? Picking Anderson over Brian Young? Mitchell over Trout, etc.? Davidson looking like he's a bust so far? Ozzie Guillen? Buddy Bell? Why wasn't Cooper able to see that Danks/Floyd would break down and that Buehrle would be a 8-1 and 2ish ERA in 2014? If we want to ascribe all these magical powers to Cooper for the Santiago trade, then shouldn't he also get the blame for Danks/Floyd never taking the next step after 2008 and then breaking down? With the Sox cutting ties to Mark Buehrle when they would have been better off giving Mark $17.5 million per season than Danks $13.5 million? Is Cooper also responsible for Paulino being atrocious, and Erik Johnson regressing? Shouldn't Cooper have been able to see that Zach Stewart and Nestor Molina wouldn't ever amount to anything? We can't just selectively credit Cooper. I'm sorry but this is just funny. Being a good pitching coach doesn't mean you can fix everything in the universe. That is just a stupid standard to hold guys to, and doesn't make any sense.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 22, 2014 -> 03:51 PM) What the actual f***? With the White Sox.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 22, 2014 -> 03:43 PM) If that's the case, then Cooper also felt that Gio Gonzalez and Edwin Jackson couldn't be worked with, too. Or that Brian Anderson would be better than Chris Young. Or that Daniel Hudson and Brandon McCarthy would never amount to anything. That he should have known from looking at Buehrle and Danks that Buehrle would never miss a start and Danks' career would be derailed because of a flaw in his delivery. That Sergio Santos was worth less going forward than Nestor Molina. 90% of that stuff isn't nearly the same sort of thing. No idea what Don Cooper has to do with Brian Anderson and Chris Young. Edwin Jackson was a salary dump, and he hasn't been nearly as good since he left the Sox. Gio Gonzalez never pitched in the majors. Dan Hudson just had his second TJS. Brandon McCarthy hasn't sniffed John Danks jock over the time after that trade. Mark Buehrle was here before Cooper, and was pretty f***ing good after Cooper got here. Sergio Santos was a closer, and that deal traces back more to our recent hire from Toronto than anything else... and oh yeah, Sergio Santos also blew out his arm. Mostly this was a chance to ramble off a bunch of names again, I think.

QUOTE (robinventura23 @ May 22, 2014 -> 01:28 PM) There will be an opening at DH next season. I can see them try to put Viciedo there. If Dunn stays on this track, I wouldn't be surprised to see him brought back on a much smaller 1yr + option type of deal.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 22, 2014 -> 01:46 PM) I should start a habit of quoting you in posts that have nothing to do with what I'm saying I suppose that is better than his answer having nothing to do with what you are saying...

QUOTE (Jake @ May 22, 2014 -> 02:47 PM) It's because the Angels know he doesn't do well in the pen and that he's already had his development borderline ruined by being a relief pitcher instead of starting That, and he has pitched awfully.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 22, 2014 -> 01:27 PM) As a rebuilding team, wouldn't you prefer players with a higher upside as opposed to a higher floor? If the think they can get the guy to respond, sure. But seeing as they traded the guy, I think that answers the question when it comes to Santiago.