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QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 28, 2014 -> 12:53 PM) Cameron doesn't "run" fangraphs anymore than Keith Law "runs" ESPN. In general, Cameron is an annoying know it all that likes to make snap judgements for eyeballs/readers instead of using nuance. As for the dollar amounts those are just hard calculations using the cost of a win on the FA market it's a pretty crude measure because the inputs (like defensive WAR) have pretty big error bars. That said, Ramirez is easily worth every penny of his contract even if he falls off to a 270/300/400 hitter as there just aren't many good SS in MLB right now. If some team is offering you a legit top 50 guy and another "B" prospect for Ramirez you gotta look hard at that IMO. It's not that they are shopping him around, just listening to offers -- if a good one comes it might make sense to jump on it. My price tag for Alexei starts with a legitimate #1/#2 starting pitching prospect in the top half of the minors and then adds a few more pieces from there based on the farms system we are raping and pillaging.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ May 28, 2014 -> 12:01 PM) Jews in America were never forced into slavery or denied the right to vote, but other than that I agree with you that we can't just single out blacks and hand them cash to "make up" for slavery. The single best way to improve the lives of those living below the poverty level is improving education. I'm talking about billions and billions of dollars worth of investment in infrastructure and people. But nobody wants to do that because for some bizarre reason, we've tied school funding directly to property taxes, whereas money for just about everything else comes out of general income/sales taxes so people don't notice the increases as sharply. Almost more important is the change in cultural value towards education. Being involved in a school system with a majority poverty rate the biggest problem is that the parents don't value education, so the kids don't. I see Kindergarteners who aren't in school every day, and when they are there, they aren't doing their homework. There are kids in those classes who get to school and have never used a book. I don't mean can't read, I mean they have no idea how to open it, which way the pages go, etc. That is the problem you have to solve first, before you can solve any poverty related issues in this country. When you have a culture (and I am not just talking about a black culture here, I am talking just as much about the poor white population in this country) that devalues intelligence, there is no program that is going to change their lives. You must have a culture where being as smart as possible, is as desirable as possible, at all socioeconomic levels.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 28, 2014 -> 11:08 AM) How do to reconcile that claim with the reality that black unemployment is higher across all levels of education? That black income is lower across all levels? That sending a resume with a "black" name like Yolanda gets zero callbacks but changing the name to Jennifer but otherwise leaving the resume identical results in callbacks? That there are still landlords like Donald Sterling who conspire to keep certain groups of people out of affordable housing based on race, that two of the biggest banks in the country have relatively recently paid 9-figure fines for ongoing discriminatory lending practices? We have sitting Supreme Court justices who call voting rights protections "racial entitlements" and vote to gut them. Sotomayor did a good job of responding to the idea that the only truly equal path forward is "color-blind" policies in her dissent in the recent affirmative action case: edit: I will once again go to the well of TNC for his post a few weeks ago, "This Town Needs a Better Class of Racist", a commentary how society may be quick to condemn something as blatant as Sterling saying "don't bring blacks to my games!" but never really cared much about the much more damaging housing discrimination he engaged in. Someone else had posted this Bomani Jones interview in the NBA thread back at the time which addresses the same issue, "about how exasperating it is for those of us who see the everyday effects of race to have to deal with the performative sanctimony of those who deny race's continuing impact in all but the most obvious, largely inconsequential situations[...]" The false idea that we "bend over backwards these days for minorities" contrasted with the reality that shows the complete opposite is exactly why people like TNC advocate for something like HR40. This country is still very much in denial about its past, present and future sins. How does reparations fix any of that going forward?

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ May 28, 2014 -> 11:33 AM) http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/...=espnapi_public “He’ll wait the five [games],” Ventura said. “It’s at the point where he’s coming back and doing what he’s doing. There’s no reason to [pitch any earlier].” If he hadn't have been coming off of the injury, maybe they move him up a day. There is no good reason to right now. Good move by Ventura.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 28, 2014 -> 12:02 PM) If he ends up getting traded, I think we can expect a similar package to what the Sox got for Peavy last year. One good prospect and 3 high ceiling sorts. Then he stays here. Unless we get a massive return, he shouldn't go anywhere.

Ok seriously, this thread is just stupid at this point. The trolling and stupid stuff back and forth stops now, or suspensions will happen. Period. Back to Gordon Beckham here or find somewhere else to post.

Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan 1h Chris Sale on catcher Tyler Flowers: "He knows me more than I know myself ... the whole year I don’t think I’ve shaken him off once." Sale on bullpen: "It’s huge. Any night they come in for more than three innings is big. They come in and cover six."

Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan 51m AL wins above replacement leaders: 1. Donaldson, OAK, 4.0 2. Trout, LAA, 3.1 3. Ramirez, CWS 2.5 4. Kinsler, DET, 2.3 4. Bautista, TOR, 2.3

Tracey Myers ‏@TramyersCSN 18m What we're seeing this am: 29-19-81, 20-65-88, 10-26-23, 52-16-28. #Blackhawks

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 28, 2014 -> 10:24 AM) I doubt it. They have to be nervous as hell too, even with the popularity. It's still hilarious seeing that. Nothing has ever quite topped Mariah Carey I'd like to top... anyway.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 28, 2014 -> 10:19 AM) To some extent, I am too, but talk about immediate buyer's remorse. That contract scares the s*** out of me. I was nervous about a five, or more, year deal anyway. Seven years is f***ing scary.

That is going to hurt the ol street cred.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 28, 2014 -> 09:38 AM) I was being sarcastic about Ubaldo, but when the team is rebuilding or retooling, they need to take chances on stuff guys. You do that and you occasionally end up with Rick White or Mike Jackson, or you sometimes get a Cliff Politte or Tom Gordon or JJ Putz or Esteban Loaiza. In the end, if you lose it, you lose it and you move on. This organization does a really good job of turning a significant number of those gambles into serviceable pieces. I have no problem with the Paulino signing, and I won't have a problem with the next signing like it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 28, 2014 -> 07:59 AM) "Chris, we want you to work on your fastball control and durability for the first part of the season. We'll let you open things up after Memorial Day". Maybe? I would be interested to see his pitch count by pitch type.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ May 27, 2014 -> 09:24 PM) Some dude named Abreu Isn't Webb also a result of Paddy?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 28, 2014 -> 09:17 AM) His xFIP seems pretty good. He is 14 out of 16 in saves. Please provide the numbers. And please, it is not trolling. What is trolling is the guy suggesting Felipe Paulino may pitch 180 innings for the White Sox this year based on 7 starts in 2012 calling several posters "arguments" ridiculous this morning. Trolling is making up ridiculous arguments and making people "prove" you wrong, and once they do, changing to another ridiculous argument and repeating the process. Or just dragging in non sequiturs from other threads.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 28, 2014 -> 09:17 AM) Did you know Tanaka or Abreu were going to be free agents in May last year? I looked it up, Abreu defected in August, and it seems like to me that everyone knew this was Tanaka's year to come to the states, the only fight was over the change in posting fees for the Japanese league clouding it up a bit. But that happened after the season had ended, so it is immaterial. The buzz on him had been going long before the trade deadline.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 28, 2014 -> 08:42 AM) --- You can't because it's an absolutely ridiculous argument. Detroit has a flawed bullpen (Nathan isn't what he once was, and how much can you trust Joba Chamberlain or Al-Al?), and they've become a bit complacent with nobody to challenge them within the division the last couple of seasons (KC is unproven and on the ropes offensively and now are dealing with Ventura's ailment, Cleveland seems more like a "one year wonder" at the moment). Porcello and Victor Martinez have never been THIS good with the Tigers, especially Porcello. One of their other starters is an inexperienced rookie in Ray. This is Smyly's first full year in the rotation, and he'll wear down eventually from pitching in relief the last two seasons. Verlander has gotten absolutely pounded his last three starts. Scherzer has been merely human. Scherzer lasted six innings, allowing five runs on eight hits. He walked two and struck out four. Scherzer, who was saved from his second loss when Hunter hit a solo home run in the seventh to tie the game, has allowed 12 runs on 20 hits over his past two games, a span of 13 innings. The reigning American League Cy Young Award winner allowed 12 runs combined through his first nine starts (59 innings) LAST FOUR=25 IP, 28 H, 15 ER, 12 BB, 22 K's, 1.6 WHIP, 5.40 ERA Rajai Davis has been overachieving, too. They're getting little to nothing out of SS offensively with Romine and Worth. If they wouldn't have been able to pull off the Kinsler for Fielder trade, they would be in a world of hurt, IMO. Plus, you have the Evan Reed situation. So yeah, they're still the favorites...but not by as much as one would have assumed a week ago when they were 27-13 and running away with things. If you can poke that many holes in the Tigers, you can post for pages about the holes in the White Sox right now.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 28, 2014 -> 08:53 AM) Except that's not exactly the whole story. It's not like we traded Alex Rios in order to sign Jose Abreu. We needed to get younger and more cost-controlled. It's like saying we traded Rios to bring back Lindstrom and pay for Downs, Paulino and Keppinger. You can twist it around any way you would like, right? Now if we spent $150-175 on Tanaka, then you could have me convinced that trading Rios was absolutely imperative to make it work. We also shed Santos, Peavy's deal, AJ's deal, Konerko's deal, let Buehrle go, Crain and Floyd, etc. Actually the whole idea was to free up cash to make for flexibility, so even if they didn't have Abreu specifically in mind, they had a guy like Abreu in mind.

Sox now 6-3 vs Cle at the halfway point of the season series, vs 2-16 last year.

I think it is too early for mea culpa's.

Hopefully Soxfest was watching the Habs and Rangers, because that is the very definition of a goal being the goaltenders fault.

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 41m Ned Yost just said on Royals TV broadcast trainers said Yordano Ventura had "valgus stress overload." That does not bode well for future.

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