southsider2k5

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 10:00 AM) I think you are. You're adamant that something is being done wrong but you can provide zero evidence for it. I think Ozzie probably ought to use his bullpen guys more, not less, and there is very little blame on this manager for bullpen guys who get hurt. I'd also be convinced if someone could prove to me that our key bullpen guys get hurt more often than those for other teams, but again, I'm still waiting. So are you going to go through game films and game logs to prove you are right? Really you haven't proven anything that is already refuted.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 09:53 AM) Well clearly not the 40+ relievers who have had more appearances than Crain this season. I really think you are being intentionally obtuse for the sake of squeezing a few more posts out of this.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 09:44 AM) Press for what? To sell tickets to this event? The event and the issue in general.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 09:41 AM) My god you are cynical. SMH I have no doubt this was for press, otherwise why would this be public?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 09:31 AM) So please give me something, anything, the slightest nugget of evidence to suggest that Ozzie is doing that in a way that the other 29 managers in MLB aren't rather than just repeating it. No other teams have relievers who get hurt?

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 09:32 AM) Nope. Kenny Williams made that deal on December 13, 2001 as he dealt Kip Wells, Josh Fogg and Sean Lowe for Todd Ritchie and Lee Evans. The deal was put into place by Ron Schueler. It might have been executed by Kenny, but Schueler is on record as saying he set that deal up.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/07/20/thi...private-sector/

QUOTE (FlySox87 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 09:12 AM) Promotion to 1st Lieutenant today. Nice little pay raise (especially when combined with the two year mark that I hit on the 29th), and I'll escape the "butter bar stigma". Woohoo!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 08:51 AM) Throwing a guy every other day for eight days is a different workload than throwing him twice in back to back games over eight days, yet it shows up statistically as the exact same thing.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 09:02 AM) A guy who is tied for 42nd in the league in appearances is not being heavily used unless somehow Ozzie is the only manager in the league who warms guys up without bringing them in. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 08:57 AM) Crain doesn't have to be a leader in a statistical category for him to be overused.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 08:57 AM) Then we need a 9 man bullpen, because we're picking up guys who can't cut it with moderate use. You really have your head in the sand over the definition of moderate use.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 08:56 AM) And as I've pointed out repeatedly, Crain is no where near the top of the league in usage. Your guys' response has been "But he warms up and doesn't come in!" without many examples of that happening...and somehow you're also sorta alledging without saying that other managers don't warm guys up without bringing them in as well. Crain doesn't have to be a leader in a statistical category for him to be overused.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 08:55 AM) Why does acknowledging that you're facing a tough pitcher mean you should tip your cap? Because that is pretty much the definition of "tip your cap".

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 08:53 AM) My whole point is that guys don't throw every 8 days. It doesn't happen. They rarely warm up/pitch 3 in a row. And Ozzie does as good of a job with that as any manager. He way overblows his starters. His bullpen simply does not get overtaxed. Certain guys in his pen do get used disproportionally at times. Jesse Crain is the big one this year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 08:50 AM) One of the reasons his offense doesn't get as much credit is that his offense at SS is historically great, but weak compared with the era he was in. A mid .800 OPS out of the SS position would be looked at as great right now. A mid .800 OPS out of the SS position when guys like Tejada were roiding it up there was good but not great. The year he put up a .989 OPS at SS he only wound up 6th in the MVP voting. I don't care about Jeter's OPS. The guy knows how to hit. He has always been one of the most dangerous guys when it matters, even in an era where most were cheating their asses off.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 08:46 AM) No, but I think it's a useful reference point here. The fans of the team actually want these top relievers to be used more than they are. It is not a useful reference point. Fans have no idea what is going on in the dugout, clubhouse, or anywhere else. Of course they want the top relievers in. We all want the top relievers in. If we used the fans as a reference point, Paul Konerko would have been cut in 2003, Mark Buehrle would have been cut in 2006, and we'd have a great collection of draft picks that busted, but we paid assloads of money for, along with about 87 hitting coaches in the last 2 years. The reality is very different, and Wite pretty clearly demonstrated why. Throwing a guy every other day for eight days is a different workload than throwing him twice in back to back games over eight days, yet it shows up statistically as the exact same thing.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 10:00 PM) Even Pittsburgh fleeced Kenny a few years ago. What was the pitcher's name we got? I'm guessing 2003. Of course, he couldn't get anybody out, and he was going to be our #2 starter. That deal was put in place by Ron Schueler.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 08:36 AM) For once...the rookie we were facing actually had some legit stuff. He was bringing a 95+ mph fastball most of the night and working guys inside. What you could really see also was that guys like Quentin, the Stealth Elf had at bats where they fouled off a bunch of pitches that they were very close on. The guy had just enough late sinking on his fastball that even if they timed things perfectly, they coudln't square up the pitch, so they wound up fouling it off somewhere. This time, give at least some legit credit to the kid. He is supposed to be one of the best of their "legendary" system.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 08:39 AM) How many times though do we wind up mad on this site because Ozzie doesn't bring in the best reliever in close games? He saves those guys as much as he can for close games where we have the lead. If it's tied in the 8th inning right now, we're going to see Bruney or Ohman most likely, not Crain. Hell, in terms of warming guys up...he doesn't warm guys up a lot fo times when he needs to (see; the start of the 6th inning yesterday). If Ozzie is to be blamed for these guys in the bullpen getting hurt, then there's no way to run a successful bullpen in this era, because he's not nearly the hardest manager on his bullpen. He's much, much, much more reliant on his starters. Are you asking me to defend the irrationality that goes on in a game thread? lol, good one.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 08:30 AM) I don't think any of those injuries have to do with the bullpen pitcher being ridden too hard, because really, none of them were ridden all that hard. None of them have ever been near the top of the league in appearances or innings with us. If those guys are being ridden too hard, then we need 8-9 men ready to be in the bullpen because they can't handle an average workload. I think you missed his point. It isn't about season-long workload. It is about multiple instances of appearences on consecutive days, or 4-5 times in a week, or multiple innings plus consectutive outings, or warming up everyday (even if you don't pitch in a game... those kinds of thing which can easily be hidden in total appearences and IP.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 06:13 PM) I'd say many people vastly underrate Derek Jeter and the type of player he is/was. Jeter's offense doesn't get nearly enough credit. The whole "overrated" defensively thing stems pretty exclusively from the idiots voting for Gold Gloves. You don't really hear other people talking about him being a great defender anymore. The guy is a slam dunk first ballot HOFer, and deserves to be so.

I really think the players association folds quickly in the NBA. I can't see those guys holding it together.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 08:11 PM) This leaves a huge carbon footprint.... Red X's are infamous carbon polluters.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 07:42 PM) $500 billion in medicare cuts was the message that won the election last year. If you'd like to give that back then we can get back to working on the economy rather than abortion. Great, so now I will just steal talking points from the left wing as fact.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 18, 2011 -> 01:25 PM) Yep, Breaking Bad was pretty amazing. Awesome hour with such little dialogue. Yeah that was a great episode. The best scene might have actually been the last one with Skylar.