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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:54 PM) Compared to a European system, sure. Compared to the current system, or to any increased-privatization system, however, the PPACA will still be a massive improvement. It won't be the best care, and it won't be for the best cost. If I know anything about the federal government, I would bet my life on those two things.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:52 PM) Private insurance has done that. The point is to get the most people the best health care for the most manageable cost. If you're determined to keep a private system, the PPACA is about as good as you can do. Unless you want to give me another round of telling me how we can't afford to have everyone insured and the sick are sorry, out of luck again. That is exactly where this will be a massive failure.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:50 PM) Changing it might as well be ending it. The beauty of the current system is its simplicity. It keeps the administrative costs down well below those of private sector retirement plans, it makes sure everyone has something, it isn't subject to the fluctuations of the market or to financial crises, etc. God forbid we do that anywhere else...

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:47 PM) Your plan is for employers who provide Health care to be as rare as manufacturers who did not move overseas. And yet if I bother to point out that the summary to this is "then no Americans will have health care", somehow I'll be the one getting laughed at. Seriously...you've done a great job illustrating why the employer/health care link that the PPACA works really hard to preserve is not the best option and a government-only plan is. And you've done a great job at proving that the whole point is to destroy any incentive for private insurance.

I was the closest to the Bulls total, only because I had the highest win total guess.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:38 PM) Because now they have a cheap alternative to dump them on. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:40 PM) Then why haven't they been replaced now with workers who aren't provided health care, when right now there are no fines for doing so? And that

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:40 PM) Then why haven't they been replaced now with workers who aren't provided health care, when right now there are no fines for doing so? Why hasn't every manufacturing center moved to China?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:38 PM) "Gotta retain top talent" only works on Wall Street I guess. When you have 17% effective unemployment, it is pretty easy to replace about 90% of the workforce.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:22 PM) Yeah but the "study" is irrelevant first of all. Just want to emphasize that. There's no support for those conclusions. Businesses don't have to offer any health insurance right now, yet they do in order to entice better employees. Why will they suddenly be motivated to drop insurance benefits, which will likely cause a lot of dissent and dissatisfaction among current employees and lower the attractiveness to new employees, because now they'll have to pay a fee? Why not just say "f*** you employees, I got mine, good luck with $5k+ annual premiums!" right now? BTW, if your claim is correct here, it's a pretty strong argument against unbridled capitalism and for a social safety net for basic human needs. Because now they have a cheap alternative to dump them on.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:20 PM) Now, I'll lay off the sarcasm. The thing you're missing of course is that the Health Care tax credit still exists. Which means that if an employer stops paying health benefits to its employees and just pays the fine, it looses a huge government assist on paying those benefits...which is really the only reason employers provide health care at all today anyway. Stopping paying for those benefits is a pay cut of several thousand dollars a year for the employees without any additional profits for the company...it's the equivalent of just deciding not to claim a tax deduction. It is also not paying a major expense. A great equivilant is moving jobs out of the US. Companies get all kinds of credits and the like for staying in the US. In the end it is still cheaper to go overseas. Health care seems to be the same way. If companies are paying more out of pocket, than the fine they will get, it is an easy decision to drop coverage. Insurance is like 10k a year. Fines are no where close to that, and neither are the credits.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:17 PM) "Sure the survey is B.S., but its heart is in the right place. So I'm right." "I found a blog, I can't be wrong!"

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:12 PM) LOL I was hoping you'd use that! It's a pretty suspect study since they won't discuss their methodologies at all. It's not a citeable study. Other studies that actually show their methodologies have found far, far less impact. http://swampland.time.com/2011/06/08/some-...oyer-insurance/ I know it is easy to say that, but it makes perfect sense. Force businesses into making a business decision, and they are going to go for the cheapest option. If cutting plans is cheaper than paying a fine, which it is, they will cut. It is also obvious that this was completely on purpose since they couldn't get what they wanted if they were obvious about getting government health car.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:09 PM) That's a perfect name for a guy who gets cheap hits. I have never seen him before, but he has 5'6" 120 lbs Twins Grinder written all over him.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:09 PM) No, the conservative claim that PPACA will drive all private insurers out of business and leave only the exchanges. yeah, crazy, right? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...=googlenews_wsj

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:07 PM) Obamacare shifted people from Medicare into the private market? Destroy the system as it exists. Then shift everyone onto the government plan.

Fox sucks, as do most of the agenda based news networks.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:02 PM) The ENTIRE House and Senate Republican Caucus save 1 or 2 senators voted for it. "Some". It's also not better than nothing, because we hand away the extra money in tax cuts, then 5 years later wind up reestablishing the program at much greater cost when we realize that no private company wants to provide basic health insurance to the U.S.'s population of seniors. And that financial brainpower would love to help you hand over social security to it. Ah yes, the whole basis for Obama-care, Step One.

Dude, I don't follow fox.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 04:55 PM) I guess I just don't understand the goal. There are annoying, pain in the ass fans for absolutely every franchise in every sport worldwide. Posting their idiocy is just pointless. You want to post Bobby Lu's comments about Tim Thomas?? Then hell yeah that would be interesting! Just re-hashing b**** posts from nutso fans is completely pointless. I don't want to ignore all of your posts, because you are a good poster, I just see absolutely zero merit or reason to post something found on another message board and label it as representative of 'Nucks Nation. It's not true, they have plenty of fine fans, and it gets really old as you've been doing it for months. I'm sure karma has someone pulling his OSU posts to represent Bucks fans.

But that is Fox, it can't be true!

zero ex-mayors I am guessing.

X-mayor Daley is even getting a security detail.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 04:44 PM) i've just been biting down on gauze for hours. just used a tea bag. I know you are in pain and probably drugged up, but that is just a hilarious line.

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