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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 03:18 PM) That doesn't mean the Magic have to help, especially if they're not getting something really solid back in return. They don't have to, they can just end up like the Cleveland Cavaliers.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 02:59 PM) The difference here is that the Bulls would have no leverage to force a sign and trade. A sign and trade usually happens because a player wants to sign with another team and has the leverage to make it happen. For example, Lebron declared he was signing with the Heat, the Cavs worked it out as a sign and trade so that Lebron's contract got bigger but they swiped a bunch of draft picks. The Bulls can't sign Howard on their own without dumping those 2 guys elsewhere previously, so the Bulls have no leverage to force the Magic to deal. The only real way its a possibility is if you put together a deal that the Magic would actually want...in other words, it's the Carmelo situation, where the Knicks had to virtually gut their entire roster to get him because they didn't have the leverage otherwise. Howard has the leverage to force a deal. It is either that or have him on your roster all year long knowing he is leaving in 12 months, especially if he goes public with that desire.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 03:03 PM) Well, I guess a .500ish team may win this division. With the Twins coming on hot, we have to worry about them again. I base a lot of my perception on history. We fail more down the stretch than we succeed, and the Twins have a way of coming back. I fully believe we have to let another GM and manager get a crack at this team. It it is possible, the Tigers might be better at this than we are.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 02:57 PM) I was in that camp, too. And I've said a bunch of times that the Sox could still get back into the race, but that is mainly due to the division being garbage. I've said that the Tigers were the real threat and that the Sox will probably finish with a record around .500, and I stick by all of those things. I preferred Milledge over Lillibridge, as I saw Brent as only bringing speed to the table. I was obviously wrong about that, but I still believe that Milledge would be a positive for this team. I have probably been the most negative on the Tigers since Day 1, and I still don't feel they are going to be there at the end. I am just not convinced they are anything more than a .500ish team. Maybe that could change if they do some big work at the trading deadline, but I don't see it still.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,5952982.story

Awesomeness. http://governor.ohio.gov/LinkClick.aspx?fi...3D&tabid=74

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 02:11 PM) Yes...BUT then Orlando is stuck with at least 1 of those contracts, which they probably don't want if they're losing Howard. Plus, they'd, you know, have to actually trade Howard to a team that can't sign him as a FA, which means that the Bulls would have no leverage in the situation. If Orlando trades Howard, they are going to want assloads of picks and expiring contracts. Either that or young, cheap players. For my two cents any deal for Howard would have to involve a third team.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:56 PM) No one said Padres didn't have money issues. There's people on this site that can confirm I was saying the same thing to them after the first near Peavy trade with regards to concerns San Diego had about how he would hold up. If Sox trade Danks this offseason I dont think anyone would claim it's a salary dump They should. If Danks gets dealt, it is all about money. That being said, if they know they can't sign him, they should trade him.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:48 PM) And how does this make them that much better? They're already the number one defensive team out there. They played well enough on that end of the floor against the Heat. The problem was scoring. Dwight doesn't give you that, especially in the 4th quarter. We need a legit, all star 2 guard or small forward. Someone like Jason Terry. Someone that can hit shots consistently when Rose penetrates. A legitimate post player changes that series. The only one we had couldn't get a shot off that wasn't a jumper. If the Bulls have a guy in the post, the floor opens up because they can't cheat and double.

Uh-huh

I won't close the other thread quite yet, because the dancing on LeBrons face is totally worth it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:41 PM) Pryor signs with Drew Rosenhaus. Awesome. This ought to be as entertaining as Maurice Claretts death spiral.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:40 PM) Padres knew they couldn't sign him to an extension so that's why they got rid of him now Which boils down to money.

QUOTE (Bighurt52235 @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:40 PM) IMO, nobody ever deserves to win a game they do not win. We didn't deserve to win Friday, we blew a two run lead with two outs, nobody on, 0-2 count. No way do we deserve that win. If teams were only given wins on games their fanbase thinks they deserved, overall league record would be well below .500. You'd have plenty of games where two losses were assigned. Team that scores the most deserves to win, as that is the objective. So I am glad to see one person here will never complain about games we should have won.

So why are you bringing your relatives into this?

QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:36 PM) Is there any way Gar/Pax can make this happen? Seriously. Please? Dwight seems to have a soft-spot for "fast don't lie" despite the fact that he has swatted him around like a fly in past meetings. Really. I think right now, there might not be a team more dedicated to winning than the Bulls. I don't know if the Bulls can do this without gutting their team though.

Quit exaggerating. There hasn't been an ocean between us for millions of years.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:29 PM) Phillies are looking for RH hitting outfielders. Alex Rios...? Important word here...

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:31 PM) I loved what Konerko said. This team has yet to hit on all cylinders and before they can worry about other teams in the division they need to focus on themselves and getting everyone clicking. The starting pitching has been the only "good" aspect for this year so far. The defense has had some really bad stretches, as has the bullpen and offense.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:30 PM) Other than Heads and Joecool, nobody on this site thought Humber would be worth s***. And NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY!, thought Lillibridge would morph into a 2009 Ben Zobrist clone. So the haha I told you so bit doesn't fly. That said, the White Sox are in third place. They're still below .500. And they still have a lot of question marks. Let's wait until they're in first place by a few games before all the I told you so's start rolling in. I was in the camp of not writing him off, and thought he could be OK. I know I had that very argument with you. Granted I didn't think he would be Cy Young, but hey.

My sources want proof.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:18 PM) Definitely guilty of Lillibridge, and I still don't see him as a starter (he's on a hotstreak and you've got to see it out though). Humber I thought would be a Carrasco type pitcher, he's turned into something much better but will probably settle in between a 3-5 starter (so Im guessing #4). I don't either. I don't think it is any big coincidence that his numbers are coming down with his playtime going up. The one thing I didn't know is that the guy is an incredible defender in the OF. Wow. If nothing else, he is an elite 4th OFer, just for his glove.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:07 PM) On the boards was all I was looking at. Wallace's best year was not as good as Russells worst year. Overall Russell avg'ed more than double the boards Wallace did, and no advanced metric will be able to paint that differently. Wallace, even at his peak, is a very poor comparison to Russell. You could probably find a much better player to compare to Russell. I'm not a fan of advanced metrics in BBALL, but what would be sufficient? Win shares, defensive win shares? Not to mention with the Celtics being the Yankees of the NBA, if Russell was really that overrated in his era, we'd all know about it. We hear constantly about people being overrated because of their time with the Yankees. I haven't heard that said before about Russell.

Kind of a complete 180?

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 01:02 PM) Just because KW does not want to put up with the Guillen family BS does not mean 29 other teams did not. You have not valid proof why the other 29 teams passed on him at all. Sox GM runs 1 team not MLB. So are you actually going to throw something out there to prove your side, or are you just going to keep arguing?