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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 09:02 AM) In hindsight I actually like Bosh less than I did last summer. I really didn't like Boozer last summer, and he's been pretty much exactly what I expected. Its a different system completely. He would have been great here with a PG to get him the ball in position to score.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 09:19 PM) Hell, even Pittsburgh realized it can't compete by following the slot guidelines anymore. They look really competitive too...

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 05:52 PM) Somebody mentioned it already, but it's hilarious that so few games is not enough to be worried about the Sox. But on the other hand, a few starts for the Sox last year was certainly enough to declare that Hudson would never cut it in the AL and a similar amount this year is sufficient to prove he's not good at all. It sure was enough games to call the Hudson trade a complete failure last year, that's for sure.

QUOTE (since56 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 08:10 AM) Who would new managerial candidates be? Buddy Bell? Joey would take over.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 06:35 AM) QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 08:24 PM) Here you go with this ridiculous payroll bulls*** again. How can you possibly believe that this is how MLB teams operate? You act as if they have to pay the guy his entire salary up front or something. Jesus, just let it f***ing die already. Ridiculous? Dunn makes $14 million a year. They would have to pay him a ton of money this year. You're right, businesses don't operate with budgets. Not many teams have $14 million laying around to pay someone, at least they don't want to admit it, not only to their paying customers but also the union. Plus they would owe him $14 million a year for 3 years after this, and he's basically a DH. You can call adding Dunn's contract no big deal but 30 MLB teams would disagree with you. If its no big deal, KW should throw some more money around to fix his team. And if its no big deal why didn't those teams trump the White Sox offer when Dunn was a FA? Exactly one team claimed Alex Rios, someone who could play the field, who could run a lot better and was several years younger, and was owed about the same amount of money. Dunn has been awful his last 300 AB. No team is going to give you anything of consequence for him, and take the contract. They may trade for him but the Sox would have to eat money and that makes zero sense from a Sox perspective. Its a different world than just a couple of seasons ago. Even the Yankees are asking teams to eat some money when they want to make a trade. The facts are Dunn was a FA and Detroit and the Angels were the other teams in pursuit. Detroit dropped out when they signed Victor Martinez. The Angels have Bobby Abreu DHing, and Kendrys Morales back eventually. They wouldn't offer what the White Sox offered so they passed. Why would they be willing to pay now? Its also ironic a guy who was pissed when the Sox signed Konerko because Derek Lee was a cheaper option, is upset about talk of money. Most of baseball's moves these days are based upon money. Get used to it. You are way overreacting to a guy who just got back from a surgery in a week.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 08:02 PM) Not with Victor Martinez on their team. If Little Caesar thought it would help in this division, he'd do it in a heart beat.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 08:22 PM) Do you mean in terms of the style of defense they play? Because both of those teams were much better defensively than Indiana this year. Indiana was a middle of the pack defensive team. Style. They are physical dirty team. They are literally beating up Rose. He isn't going to see that, well unless we see Howard.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 07:13 PM) I'm not asking what other teams could possibly use him, I'm just asking you to name one that you could make a reasonable assumption would willing to add his contract right now. Not many teams admit they left at least $14 million in the bank before the season started. If Adam Dunn became available today. There would be a bunch of teams that would chase after him. Heck we are playing one right now that I would bet on.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 07:29 PM) Yeah, they'll win next round. I'd be very surprised if the Bulls were to beat Boston or Miami in the Conference Finals though to be honest after watching these 4 games. This team needs better perimeter shooting, and more specifically, a 2 guard who can create for himself. Such things can be found, and I could see the Bulls winning title(s) if they do. But not right now, there are a lot of weaknesses on this team offensively that the process of being exposed has already begun on. Neither Boston nor Miami plays defense anything like Indiana does.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 05:32 PM) Who would claim him? Or who would give you something of value for him? He's a DH making a ton of money. I'm happy the Sox have him because they have a need, but there aren't a lot of teams looking to spend $50 million on a DH right now, especially if he isn't hitting at the moment, and is 61 for his last 289 .211 avg with 112 strikeouts. Have you seen some of the offenses around MLB this year? There would be 10 teams that would claim Adam Dunn on waivers.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 05:11 PM) Do you actually think some other team would pick up Dunn's contract? Go tell Kenny. 100% yes.

Dunn

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 11:42 AM) No. There's can't miss prospects and there's Matt LaPorta types. Guys like Tyler Flowers, Brent Lillibridge, Jeff Marquez, Jhonny Nunez aren't guys you acquire for John Danks. Even if they give you 5 or 6 of them. You have to get a consensus top 5 prospect IMO and someone who can and has shown they can do something at the major league level now, or you're just saving money, not helping your team get better in the future, hurting the present, which in the long run will eat away any savings from moving John Danks as fewer people will be interested in paying to see your product. Laporta was a top 25 guy. That's not nearly good enough. It needs to be one of those where KW asks for the moon because he knows he'll never get it, and winds up either getting it or something awfully close. Either that or hold on to Danks. I don't remember anyone saying LaPorta was a mediocre prospect at the time of the deal.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 12:02 PM) You think someone wants Dunn's contract and is willing to give you prospects in exchange? Again, good luck with that. Amen.. Sox could not give away Dunn now. If they put Dunn on waivers, there would be no takers, IMO. This couldn't be more wrong.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 10:50 AM) The problem is the view from hindsight is reality. What you think is a huge haul turns out to be not so huge most of the time. I think unless KW is just blown away by an obvious overpay, hanging on to Danks until the end is the play. The Sox aren't in a position to go into a rebuilding mode for a couple of years. Danks helps with winning immediately. You still get draft picks if you don't sign him, and if you don't sign him you will theoretically have that money to play with. So in otherwords we can't make a deal because we might have to wait years to find out it didn't work out? Um, Ok.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 07:20 AM) C C Sabatthia who is far greater than any of the Sox pitchers in the final year of their contract, netted Matt LaPorta and Michael Brantley. You're better off keeping the draft picks. With Jackson and Buehrle off the books next year anyway, there is a built in firesale-like element with this roster. Hindsight makes that trade look completely different. At the time that was a huge haul.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 07:53 AM) In all fairness, we've done plenty of damage against Verlander in the last five seasons. This line-up is just in one of their collective slides, nothing new for the last decade. And the opposing starters have a LOT to do with it. Just because you've faced someone 10 times doesn't mean you can then use that knowledge every time out to beat them. If that were true, then we would have turned the corner against Liriano, Santana or Sabathia a long time ago. Just like college basketball teams that get more and more knowledgeable about their opponents when they play 3 or more times in one season, it actually in many ways gets harder and not easier to beat someone like that. Think of it from the flip side. Everyone's seen what Mark Buehrle does for the last 10 years. There are no secrets about it. His stuff now is basically what your average high schooler in a top notch program features. Yet he's had 2 no hitters and has gone through numerous teams like a buzzsaw during his career. It's not that those teams weren't prepared to face him, they were just out-executed, out-thought and usually swung at his pitches or got themselves out. That's the nature of hitting and pitching. Normally, over 5-6-7 innings, you'll take 3 runs off Verlander (as long as it's not 0-1-2 runs), hope your own starter holds them down and turn it over to the bullpens. Actually that has changed. They said on the broadcast that Verlander had been 2-9 in his career against the Sox. He is now 8-9. He quit throwing this team the fastball as much.

QUOTE (Felix @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 05:22 PM) No one is blameless, myself and yourself included. Each side feels the need to bait the other side after every f***ing game when nothing is changing. It's a giant waste of f***ing time. Great. So don't use a post full of bait, to tell people to knock it off. It is kinda counterproductive.

QUOTE (Felix @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 05:11 PM) This Rose/Paul debate has gotten nowhere. Can people just shut the f*** up about it and stop baiting the others that they disagree with? It's completely pointless. None of the Rose crowd is going to be convinced by statistical arguments, and none of the Paul crowd gives a s*** how little the Rose crowd cares for stats. We get it, you hate them and think they mean nothing. We disagree, big f***ing deal. Take your own advice.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 03:33 PM) I bet the season ticket base for all of these teams are about what the announced attendance is. Nobody walks up in April and there is little presale in these cities for April games agasint divisional teams or crappy teams. You roll the Yanks or Boston through here in April and you will get a big crowd, yet somehow our schdule always has them coming to town in the summer. These numbers are year over year. They are comparing April 2010 versus April 2011.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 04:44 PM) The only question is why he's so stubborn to hold onto this managerial theory that flies in the face of the homers hit in 2005/2006 and even in 2008 with Quentin/Ramirez/Dye/Konerko/Thome, etc. 1) Maybe because that's what worked for him personally, and the "dead ball" White Sox playing in Old Comiskey needed to score just a run at a time? Or weren't capable of scoring in bunches. 2) His time coaching and playing in the NL at the end of his career with ATL/Cox and the Marlins. 3) The fact that it worked so well with Iguchi and Pods for 3-4 months in 2005...but hasn't since? 4) His general inability to admit he's wrong since the World Series and adapt to the roster as much as expecting players who aren't capable of bunting or playing fundamental baseball to change for Ozzie? I'm thinking here of players like BA and Josh Fields, to name a couple. As Fathom mentioned, this mindset just doesn't work well in the AL East or AL Central. It certainly does have its place in baseball, with a low payroll team like the Padres or one that's limited offensively, such as the Mariners or A's. It would be more of a story if the players went on to succeed somewhere else in #4. Being able to not fix bad baseball players when no one else can, isn't a big negative in my book.

Konerko