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QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 03:17 PM) Apparently you do. This discussion has ben about who's the best PG in the league. Myself, J4L and few others have proven through stats and advanced stats that Chris Paul is the better player. The rest of Soxtalk, through Rose colored glasses are using the weakass excuse "I'll trust my eyes". You go trust those eyes. I'm pretty sure you guys haven't watched a Hornets game in years. And I better not hear another "Rose shoots because he has to." That's what you guys wanted when you said "Get rid of Gordon, Rose needs to be able to shoot at all times. Gordon is a chucker." Like most of you guys know what a chucker is. Stats and advanced stats in the NBA prove nothing. Your very first assumption is wrong. Not to mention your comparison between Gordon and Rose is awful because Ben isn't the finisher at the rim that Rose is. Gordon didn't need the floor spaced. Gordon is a shooter. Rose is a driver.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 02:36 PM) Wieters has looked really good so far this year. Patient at the plate, looking for his pitches, and then punishing those pitches. Wouldn't surprise me if he was a top 5 catcher this year. Someone in my fantasy league dropped him after his slow start. I have both Posey and Wieters now.

QUOTE (forrestg @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 01:14 PM) Buehrle, didn't sign a longterm contract while he was under the sox control. Perhaps it is a good strategy. Buehrle has also signed deals before that deal. He had a much bigger history than Danks does. He also wasn't looking at the payday that Danks is.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 01:06 PM) No. Just because some dismiss statistical analysis as crap doesn't mean it's of no importance. I guarantee you if Rose was as efficient as Nash or Paul that EVERYBODY would be on it. But since he's not, all we get is, "Well, I want every single minute of every single game," to hell with stats. I don't think stats are everything. But to completely dismiss them is ludicrous. When the counter-argument centers only on a stat, it is very easy to dismiss the argument. Its an oversimplified mess that misses the big picture of how the game of basketball is actually played.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 12:35 PM) Does signing Mark to an extension help us retain Danks? Not unless Mark takes a pretty big paycut to stay here.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 12:44 PM) Don't forget, it's not just the cost of transporting the iPhone across the ocean, it's the cost of transporting everything to China as well. Most of that would be either a one time cost, or it would be something that would need to be transported here instead.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 12:28 PM) Think through that for a second though. If Chinese production drops, it's not dropping because U.S. demand has decreased, it's dropping because Chinese demand has decreased. If Chinese demand decreased, that would put a deflationary pressure on the price of Chinese goods. It would actually make them cheaper for Americans to buy. Factories with robust export potential don't close, and there'd be plenty of spare capacity in China if some of them did. Furthermore, there is ample spare capacity available in this country for domestic production increases if Chinese Domestic production fell off. Yes, labor costs are higher, but transportation costs would be lower, and you get the added benefit of domestic job production. There are 2 things that could happen which hurt the U.S. in the event of a Chinese burst. First, exports to China from the U.S. would be hurt...but the U.S. export market to china pales in comparison to what China exports to the U.S. That'd sting a little, but it's not the dominant effect. The other thing that could happen is a governmental collapse or civil war. That's legitimately bad. If the Chinese stop manipulating the U.S. dollar through currency purchases...that's actually exactly what we've been demanding the Chinese do for the last decade. Which are all very inflationary.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 08:21 AM) Huh? If the chinese bubble burst, commodity demand would drop significantly, and right now commodity prices are the only thing showing increases; core CPI is still flat. Commodity prices would drop, but so would Chinese production. The costs of our good would be picked up by other labor, which would be much more expensive.

He won't give the contract, which is why I believe John is gone.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 12:00 PM) Well you could update it for this century... That was one of my all-time favorites. I'll admit it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 12:06 PM) Right now, 5/$75 would be a fair extension for him, because he still has 1.75 years before FA. Open market he's worth a lot more. The years are short.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Apr 21, 2011 -> 11:15 PM) Except that cash obligations to Thome and Contreras were about $75 million less than those to Rios and Peavy. That was also years ago. We are probably talking about similar chunks of total payroll.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 11:25 AM) But just because he's been the best starter since 2008 doesn't mean he's worth $75 million for 5 years, either. Now you can argue that Buehrle wasn't worth his last contract either, but that's a little bit difference circumstance based on what he did for the organization prior to that....his popularity and longevity and identification with the Sox. I don't think Danks comes close to 50% of Buehrle's or Konerko's popularity, especially in terms of the personal relationship with JR. He's not worth 5/75. He's worth a lot more.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 11:40 AM) Lets not forget the Deng offense. "Stand in the corner and wait" His offensive schemes are stellar.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 10:09 AM) I'm going to focus on his K numbers because, much like D2, that was the worry for him coming out. If he drops by 25%, then he's in real good shape. Mitchell sounds like he has a better tool set than Danks.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 11:23 AM) Have you visited Pale Hose Talk recently? It's unbearable... and similar. Especially during the losing streak.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 10:16 AM) they remind me a lot of the bulls 04-07. They play hard, are scrappy as f***, but in the end they are just a jump shooting team which never get very far in the playoffs. For example: last night. They have a Skiles vibe for sure.

QUOTE (T R U @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 02:32 AM) So if its too early to judge Daniel Hudson on his 33-35 starts, how come you are flying off the handle about our 7 game losing streak into a 162 game season? Is it not pretty much the same thing? Thread winner.

QUOTE (greasywheels121 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 06:11 AM) The Pacers definitely aren't winning this series or possibly even a game, but it's encouraging to think that we are going to finally become something from the way they have contended in this series. They are WAY better than when they started this season. They are moving in the right direction.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 21, 2011 -> 10:27 PM) Felix > this thread I'm sorry. He offers up legitimate analysis. The Rose homerism around here is nearing realgm status. The dude is f***ing awesome. Felix has admitted this. He's a fool because he'd rather have Paul? I don't think so. He doesn't really. He offers up fantasy basketball analysis. He offers nothing about how the game is actually played.

QUOTE (Felix @ Apr 21, 2011 -> 10:10 PM) You guys act as if it's mutually exclusive. Efficient players can be closers. You don't have to chuck up 25 shots a night just to finish off a game. Once Rose realizes this and stops settling for the long contested threes, he'll take his game to a much higher level. The problem is your point doesn't hold water. Rose's game went to the next level this year because teams could no longer just go under the screens and pack the lane. Instead of having to defend Rose for 20 feet of the floor, they now have to defend him for 30 feet by going over the top of the Bulls big men screen game. Not only does that allow Rose's drive game more room to work because the defensive bodies are spread out over more of the floor, it also allows Thibs offense to be optimally spaced out. He makes double and triple Rose even more difficult because the space between their man, and getting to Rose is greater. If they do double, it makes getting back to their defender much more difficult. As a result of this the outside shooting of the Bulls team has been much better this year, because there are getting better looks. Past that you have a great offensive rebounding front line to chases those misses. Advanced metrics don't recognize things like floor space and shot threat. It equates to the deep ball in football. If you know that there is no threat of a QB going deep, there is no need to keep your safety's deep. It allows you to pack more guys into the box and attack the line of scrimmage. Those couple of deep chucks a game, while they don't look good for this QB rating, make the rest of the game free up. Rose's deep game is the same thing. It has nothing to do with being a Homer or whatever you want to turn it into. Its about solid fundamental team basketball. Move past the numbers and watch the game. Trust me, I have been doing this a while now. Not only have I been watching this game forever, but I have also been on a coaching staff and a broadcaster for a lot of games.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Apr 21, 2011 -> 10:00 PM) Rose was bad tonight, there's no denying that but when the Bulls needed him most, he stepped up and made the play. Paul might have been "efficient" last night but when the Hornets needed him in crunch time, he literally disappeared. Whatever, you're right on the fact that there's no point in arguing this anymore. I'll take Derrick's ability to finish off games and everyone else can have Paul's efficiency. Seriously advanced basketball metrics suck. When they can recognize that one guy can literally win games for a team, then we can talk.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Apr 21, 2011 -> 09:33 PM) What? You don't like Jeff Marquez, Lucas Harrell and the like? What the f*** is wrong with you?!!? If we were most teams, Beckham and Sale would still be considered prospects and we could brag about our awesome farm system.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Apr 21, 2011 -> 09:41 PM) Omar really is amazing. Shows what can happen when you take care of yourself, play smart, and pretty much be awesome. The steal off of Neiman was legen.... wait for it... dairy.

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