southsider2k5

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 01:04 PM) The Sox aren't going to be able to complete a trade with Washington with just the assets in the minor league system. It's going to take atleast one of Viciedo or Hudson. If Williams can prove me wrong and acquire Dunn while not dealing Viciedo or Hudson, and keeping an elite talent like Trayce Thompson in the system, I'll be blown away. That has to be about impossible.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 03:41 PM) This is just going to go around in circles, but the White Sox had much higher win expectancies in the games Jenks blew than the losses the Tigers had against the Indians, I'm pretty sure of that. The Sox had a 82% chance of winning yesterday's game when Jenks came in. They had a 95% chance to win on Sunday going into the bottom of the 9th. Our losses hurt a lot more because they were very, very probable wins. So there won't be any complaining if we lose 5 straight to Cleveland?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 03:35 PM) Is it not fair to say that Jenks has been a reason this team is 52-42 right now instead of 54-40? So if that's the case, this team should be two games better right now. Its also fair to say that that Tigers should be two games better if they don't blow extra innings games to a last place team.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 03:29 PM) That is a lame excuse to complain about things. If the Tigers had taken care of their business we wouldn't even be in first place. You can complain about Jenks all you want, but you are wasting your time engaging in the fantasy "what if"'s. Not to mention the Tigers lost two extra innings games, so there you go about the bullpens.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 03:26 PM) The Tigers didn't blow two saves in the past week in winnable games. What they do is their business, you have to take care of your own. And Jenks hasn't helped our cause in that department. That is a lame excuse to complain about things. If the Tigers had taken care of their business we wouldn't even be in first place. You can complain about Jenks all you want, but you are wasting your time engaging in the fantasy "what if"'s.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 03:18 PM) So because the Tigers have played like crap, the White Sox should be blowing games too? I'm not getting what you're trying to say here. If you want to get into the hypothetical thing of "If only," it would be just as easy to say "If only the Tigers hadn't have gotten swept by the Indians"...

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 02:44 PM) We'd be 4 games up on the Tigers had Bobby Jenks remembered how to pitch... With the way the Tigers have been blowing games in the last week, that is hardly a fair comparison.

OK This thread is done for a while at least. There is nothing intelligent coming out of this.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 12:48 PM) For those that were skeptical of the Sox because they were beating bad teams, they should be just as skeptical of Jenks' June considering that was mostly against those same bad teams. I don't think anyone who has been skeptical of the Sox has been making excuses for Jenks.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 12:52 PM) your nevada teapartyin senator candidate http://www.mynews4.com/story.php?id=23466 Ah, gotta love it. Yep http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/07/on...obama_last.html

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 01:23 PM) this is all part of the recent extreme narrative in this country... govt spending is out of control and frivilous. we shouldnt spend money on anything. our congress people should be reusing toilet paper to save the 5 cents in tax dollars "of my money" each year. (even though 60% of all people pay very little in taxes and its really not your money) In addition, everyone in this country is overpaid except me. Doctors, Lawyers, Athletes, Politicians, Teachers, etc. Every though I've only got my HS equivilency degree im just as important as a cashier at the local farm store as the superintendent at the local school district. Thankfully we can punish those evil wage earners into submission and give the money back to you...

We can have the Jenks arguments based on his performances, stats, and the like. The fat comments are just lazy. People can do better than that, at least I hope they can. It sure doesn't do anything to convince me personally that someone's argument is worth something if it leans on the physical stature of someone. Let all of the fat ass comments go, as it makes all of the intelligent arguments look bad here.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,6494629.story

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 03:20 PM) For once, that's data I can't find. I wouldn't be surprised if it was higher than you thought though. Even without that though, I think most everyone knows that Advil is a painkiller, but that doesn't mean that I don't see Advil commercials reminding me of that. So they asked people if they knew about getting AIDS from things like toilets and water fountians, but didn't bother to ask if they knew about ways they could ACTUALLY get AIDS?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 01:28 PM) Link. A large chunk of that cost does wind up coming from state governments. However, that's also not including the costs a city may bear if they run any sort of community health clinics as well. Again, how many people out there are left that don't know that unprotected sex causes AIDS?

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 07:51 AM) He could be working with him in practice and giving him pointers? And maybe Alexei feels more comfortable and/or confident with Vizquel there instead of someone like Teahen or Viciedo who he feels he has to try and cover for? I think he is finally getting the mental approach more than any actual physical stuff that Omar could teach him. I mean I am sure there are little things, but you can tell that Alexei is growing into the game more than anything. That was always his problem.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 01:05 PM) You could also teach that Condom use can be quite effective, for example. I purposefully used the term "unprotected sex". People know that this one act can pass the AIDS virus. Therefore to educate them again, about the exact same thing, is going to do what exactly?

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 12:43 PM) where testing facilities are, where you can go for help if you have AIDS, pass out free protection, offer counseling etc. A big part of the battle is getting people tested. Most of that is after the fact, and immaterial to "education". Again if people know the disease is spread through unprotected sex, the rest is just window dressing. Since I haven't seen any figures posted proving that I am wrong about people knowing that you can pass AIDS through unprotected sex, I would contend that "education" has been a complete failure here, in the same vein that the left holds abstinence programs as "failures" because kids still get pregnant. If you know the risks and still engage in dangerous behavior, you have pretty much ignored the education anyway. I'm not sure what giving people more to ignore is going to do to fix that.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 12:29 PM) Anyway, now that Beck's on board with this being an unjust firing, isn't it time for you guys to flip-flop so that you can start attacking the administration and I start defending them somehow? Meh, I leave the following marching orders thing in your court.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 11:27 AM) I disagree. If there is a general feeling that AIDS is something that happens "over there" or with others, educating them about how it's real and passed in your community would help. If they know AIDS is passed on by unprotected sex, what is left to know? The only other thing you can teach them is that the way to ensure they will never get AIDS is to not have sex at all, and since you can't teach that, what else is there? If they have figures that say how many people think AIDS is passed on through all of the ridculous ways that were sighted, how many think you can get it through unprotected sex?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 08:09 AM) Usually, the explanation we get from your side 2 days later is "Oh he/she was joking". It has worked for Joe Biden...

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 10:33 AM) shockingly, people other than the gay community get AIDS. Specifically very poor areas and rising totals in the black community (also senior citizens). If they know that you can get it through unprotected sex, than no amount of education is going to help.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 09:35 AM) Link I'm not interested in the people who think you can get it disproved ways, I am interested in the people who don't realize you can get it through unprotected sex. How many of those people are still out there? I can't imagine that people who think you can get it ridiculous ways, don't think you can get it through sex, right?

So anymore doubting if Omar is worth the 1.375 million dollars this year? If nothing else, the effect that he has had on Alexei was worth it, let alone the play that Vizquel has brought in the last 6 weeks.

QUOTE (IamtheHBOMB @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 11:27 PM) It will be a travesty if Jeter gets the GG over Alexei this year. Get ready for traveshamockery then...