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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 1, 2010 -> 12:03 PM) Unless they try to allow gays to get married. Or try to touch your guys. I'm sure if there was a rich gay lobbying group, they would be better off.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 1, 2010 -> 11:58 AM) You can't even find satisfaction in a guy out-performing expectations, can you? Yeah, I'd like to see the person who picked Taj to be a 9 pt 7.5 rb guy as a rook.

QUOTE (TitoMB @ May 1, 2010 -> 11:54 AM) Ozzie is a f***ing p****. Says he's gonna bench Pierre, then OH NO HES BACK! Wow, I just puked my my mouth a bit. Yet another awful lineup. VIZQUEL LEADOFF FTW!!! With the injuries, he doesn't have much choice.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ May 1, 2010 -> 11:52 AM) That was for the posters who were complaining about him not playing everyday. Dude has been injury prone for a while. He should only start 4-5 days a week really. And even with being a part-time starter, his back is already giving out.

QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ May 1, 2010 -> 11:17 AM) Uh, I don't think KW deserves to be fired yet, c'mon I think he's been very successful he only had 2 losing seasons after 2005 (2007 and 2010). And he made some trades since 2005 that made the organization better: Floyd, Danks, Thornton, Quentin, Peavy, etc. Plus, a lot of people may hate how it affects payroll, but the Rios acquistion was brilliant. I honestly think it's really Konerko to blame for creating an atmosphere where the clubhouse revolved around Konerko/Thome/Dye that made newcomers (Swisher, O-Cab, Getz, etc) feel unwelcome and scrutinized. Seriously, O-Cab was a great player for the Sox, he was accustomed to being on winning teams with a winning clubhouse culture, yet when he arrived on the Sox the big boys (Konerko/Thome/Dye) alienated him. Sadly, even though I love Konerko and AJ, I think it's time for the Sox to move on and let them walk after the 2010 season and let a new era take over the clubhouse, an era led by guys like Beckham, Quentin, Rios, Peavy, and Danks. Plus, I think once Konerko and AJ are gone, KW is gonna make a big move for a big bat to play 1st base. The last couple moves KW made were mostly pitchers (Danks, Floyd, Peavy), so besides the move Rios, the Sox haven't made a move for a HIGH-PROFILE bat in a while, so I think we're due to see KW make a move for one. So yea, that's my case for keeping KW. I don't know about Getz, but Cabrera and Swisher alienated themselves by being pricks about different things. Both of them made big public shows putting themselves before the team.

They also said that Jones is already having back spasms, which is why he didn't play yesterday. So much for we should play him every single day, huh?

QUOTE (Brian @ May 1, 2010 -> 10:15 AM) Congrats to him. If he gets stronger, he can be a beast. I was amazed how how polished he was for the 26th player taken in the draft. Some guys just have those immeasurable things to their game. Taj is one.

QUOTE (chisoxt @ May 1, 2010 -> 09:48 AM) One of the things that made the Schueler era difficult was the organizations reticence to spend money...Every contract was a prize fight dragged out in the press....arbitration hearings....refusal to sign decent free agents. Jack Gould, a former White Sox organization bean counter, took tremendous pride in winning arbitration hearings. Hawk used to make a joke about it on the broadcast. We do not have this problem now as our payroll is high and we tend to sign our guys. But, the team is lousy nonetheless. And as I recall, how many 90-100 loss seasons did we endure between 1997 and 2000? Those teams were not good but they were not horrendous. I guarantee you one thing, the longer we are in denial that this team is past its prime, the more likely we will see 90-100 loss seasons. The team has been past its prime. In case you haven't noticed, the organization is getting made over. Guys like Rios and Peavy are the next stars of the team. Guys like Dye and Thome are gone. In all likelihood, Konerko is next, and Kenny will track down another big bat for the middle of the order.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 08:42 PM) He said nothing of the sort, you're just making s*** up now. Think what you want, but it is as clear as day to me. It has been a trend for a long time now that individual rights don't matter. This is just another step down that path.

QUOTE (chisoxt @ May 1, 2010 -> 09:24 AM) I sure do. Just because Schueler was a lousy GM means that Kenny should get a free pass? Look, even after the WC, Kenny has made some good deals- Floyd, Danks Thorton, Quentin (only becaue it won us a Div Title), Alexei.... But he has also made some horrible deals and quite frankly, I am very concerned about the future of this organization. Our minor leagues suck, and just because we have not had the high draft picks doesn't mean we shouldn't be developing decent players- look at Boston, Minnesota, New York...Instead of wasting millions on Jake Peavy, why not throw that money to the player development side- hire better scouts, coaches and expand our scouting network to other countries. Hire the right people for God's sake, instead of your buddies who end up robbing you blind (Dave Wilder). All of this is on the General Manager. If you really remember the Schueler era, you wouldn't think Williams is half as bad as you do. And it is easy to say spend money on the minors, but the problem is Kenny can't go through years of 90 and 100 loss seasons to rebuild the farm system. This marketplace won't let him do that. He has to rebuild on the fly, or Sox games go back to the late 70s when 10,000 people was a normal crowd.

Really nice all around game for Charlotte. Good to see the pitchers (Marquez, Dolsi, Whistler) all do well.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 11:39 PM) That seems to be the point people are missing. He would be another .210 hitter for awhile. I get the impression he doesn't want to play baseball anymore. Yep. It would be different if he was playing anywhere at this point, but he isn't. He can't help anyone right now.

QUOTE (chisoxt @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 11:39 PM) I would say about 90 losses, an empty ball park, no farm system, a high payrolled team going no where and three more years stuck with a $16 milllion washout could be just about enough to get Kenny the "John Paxon" promotion. Kenny will never be fired but being kicked upstairs is common practice for once highly regarded executives who, um, are not so highly regarded anymore. Losing is one thing, but when the mistakes that are made place financial strain on the organization (Peavy, Rios), all bets are off. The question is, who succeeds Williams? I am still not convinced that Rick Hahn will be the guy, given that he helped KW twist Jerry's arm into signing Peavy. Could Jerry end up tapping the shoulder of his buddy, Tony LaRussa to convince him return to the Sox as a GM? LaRussa is looking for a new gig outside of managing, and this could be it. Serious question. Do you remember the Ron Scheuler era?

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 04:51 PM) yeah, not getting it. So because something has been around a long time and sucks means that it's not to be questioned or changed because it's been around a long time and sucks and people know it? Sounds brilliant. Honestly I think the things today are worse when it comes to political influence being sold off and hidden away in things like riders in bills. Keeping the federal politics out of the capital would seem more important now than ever.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 03:29 PM) Lilly was throwing beachballs. But Kudos to the Cubs fans who were pelting 3 guys in Canucks jerseys with peanuts and beer. CSN was showing his pitching speeds as he went on. He was into the upper 70's on his fastball by the end of the game according to them.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 03:21 PM) good i will be happy he passes that fraud larussa I'm glad I am not the only one who wasn't a fan.

Guys if we add a big player, it isn't just for 2010. These last couple of years we have watched Kenny changing the core of this team for the younger. Peavy and Rios are just the first two examples. I really get the feeling that we will make a run at one of the big 1Bs out there, and then try to get them to stay for a long, long time. I still see Kenny dealing for someone big, even if it looks like a deadline deal.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 03:37 PM) Except he didn't say that. Are you trolling? He said exactly that. Are you trolling?

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 03:35 PM) so? The zone was created to be apolitical. That was a couple of hundred years ago. Everyone who lives there knows it, and has always known it.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 10:59 AM) Because its quite clear he doesn't believe it. Like I said, I don't like what he said either. But the idea that he doesn't believe in the phrase you quoted is absurd. He said nothing even approaching that. I just want the discussion to come back to reality, without all the ridiculous hyperbole that I'm seeing on both sides of the aisle here. When the President gets up and freely states that he doesn't believe an individual's rights, and then goes on to say we should force people to do for the collective good... Well its pretty clear to me what he believes.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 09:39 AM) It's scary how far you guys are willing to go to defend the rights of a few people to ruin the lives of everyone else. You had the exact same hissy fit over the Patriot Act. To me, it is the same thing. We as a nation err on protecting the rights of an individual, even when they are not popular.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 09:22 AM) Yeah, that's not what he said. You made a fairly huge leap there. I don't like what he said, but to say he doesn't believe in that phrase is a huge reach. How is it a reach? If he believes it, what else does that mean?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 09:31 AM) BTW, here's the 100% full text. That actually makes it clearer in my mind that he has no belief in the rights of the individual.

Rios

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 30, 2010 -> 08:30 AM) Wait, back up the bus. He said what? Read the statement again. He pretty clearly stated he believes that people should only be able to make so much money, and they should be forced to give their own time and efforts to things they aren't obligated to.