southsider2k5

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 05:34 PM) Here's the other side of the token though...one of Obama's 8 reform planks, or whatever you want to call them, is the elimination of lifetime cost ceilings by law. That basically would, by law, be banning "Death panels" by the current interpretation. That doesn't mean that necessarily. You can ban caps, but you can also stop certain life saving procedures after a certain point to cut costs. Those two things are not mutually exclusive by any means. For example, everyone is supposed to be guaranteed social security, but it is a pretty standard procedure for people under 65 who can't work to be denied payment the first time they file.

Congrats Jimmy

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Aug 13, 2009 -> 02:38 AM) I don't have kids, yet my tax dollars pay for other kids schools. Since I'm not in school, I'm being penalized. When I didn't own a car, my tax dollars paid for roads I didn't drive on. Since I'm not driving, I'm being penalized. Your tax dollars currently fund several single payer health programs that you do not participate in. Yet you pay for them and are therefore being penalized for not using them. All this proposal does is level the playing field. Giving you access to health coverage if you can't afford a private plan. I don't understand the "taking away your freedom" argument. It seems rather tenuous at best. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 13, 2009 -> 03:50 PM) The interesting thing is why the federal road system, specifically the interestate system was developed in the first place. Not to mention, I don't accept prior erosions of economic freedoms as justifications for future ones. To me that is circular logic. Its like my three year old saying that I let her stay up an hour let when friends were over, so she gets to stay up late every night. I notice no one took up the challenge on the interstate system, and it is kind of an interesting segue into what people who put a higher value on individual freedoms are worried about here. The original rationale behind the national interstate system was to provide the American military a way to move troops and equiptment around quickly in the case of an invasion. Instead it has become a crumbing system that no one can afford to maintain, and it no longer serves the purpose it was really built for. Going back to our national education system as a justification for national health care is also scary to me, because that system is pretty much in complete failure, especially for the people it is supposed to be helping the most, the poor and the disadvantaged. The more kids that have ended up in public schools, and the more legislation of our system by Washington, the further the US has fallen down when compared to the rest of the industrialized world. Yeah, again, not really inspiring a lot of confidence for the eventual government takeover of health care.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 04:42 PM) ??? I don't follow this train of thought unless doctors had the power to fix everything and/or provide immortality. What exactly are you getting at? If I'm close to dying or have a terminal illness where the outcome isn't certain, and I tell the doctor I want him/her to do everything possible, then that's what should/will happen. If I'm dying and I talked to my family about it and I told the doctor that I don't want to go to the struggle and let nature take its course on me, that's what should/will happen (I'm guessing this is the source of the manufactured outrage, because I'm choosing to let myself die whereas conservatives seem to want to make this decision for me, for some reason). In any case, when I ask, the doctor tells me the list of options. It's my choice, not the government's, and the language in the bill I saw didn't say otherwise. It doesn't seem much more complicated than that to me. The phrase "death panel" is pure, naked, unmitigated hyperbole, and portraying it as anything other than that smells like a copout. My point was that if there ever was a point that the government made the judgement that you were not going to get treatment anymore, they have just acted as a "death panel". That's where that stupid idea came out of.

DP gets Floyd out of the inning

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 04:23 PM) I can't even stand it anymore. I am going to put someone on ignore on Soxtalk for the first time ever. I can't blame you at all.

3 hits now for Adam Kennedy.

This next pitch will be #75 for Gio.

Here's what I don't understand... Is this new plan going to always include all life saving procedures, always, if the patient didn't say they didn't want them? If there are situations where they aren't, someone is becoming a defacto "death panel".

HE GAWN!!!

Lead off walk for Sweeney after Floyd had him 0-2.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 04:08 PM) Gives Beckham a fresh count after being in a 0-2 hole. I have no problem with it. Put the pressure on the A's.

Ramirez takes off on first movement and gets picked off with the throw to second.

2-0 Indians over the Twins, top of 3rd.

Lexi with the RBI single, Q into third 3-0 Q scores on a Nix sac fily 4-0 Sox.

TCQ with a base hit, AJ blocks the throw into third to create an error and make him safe. Q goes into second on the throw. Still one out.

AJ with an 0-2 base hit.

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 09:35 PM) More Vick talk in the Filibuster. Please keep all of the off of the field stuff there, thanks.

Floyd pitches out of it, no damage done Sox 2-0 after three innings.

QUOTE (son of a rude @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 03:56 PM) Okay Ozzie. I think it is funny that you have Steven Smith in your avy, and are calling people names.

Suzuki walks, bases loaded...

Davis with the ducksnort double. Second and third now with two outs.

Kennedy with another base hit.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 03:50 PM) It was a joke Ah gotcha. It sounds like Gavin has his good deuce now.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 03:49 PM) Thome looked awful in that AB How are you watching the game?