southsider2k5

All righty gang we are less than a month away from the big event. I would first like to re-confirm everyone who signed up to play, still wants to play.

Sherm Lollar LOLd at my joke.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/360827,...essay27.article

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 10:41 AM) Do you seriously still not get that the problem people have with this is not who and why the arrests were made, but the manner in which it occurred? My main question continues to be why hundreds of innocent bystanders were not only unnecessarily hassled, but also, and more seriously, put at dangerous risk. There has been plenty of talk about who it was as well.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 10:13 AM) I didn't think you'd go that far out on a limb, but there's always hope that people can come out and finally be more honest about how they really feel. Eh, I don't agree with assuming racism is the first cause of everything when someone involves mainly one group of people. Think about it, does anyone cry racism because almost all people convicted and tried for corporate crimes are white males? No, because almost all people who are in positions of power in corporations are white males. When the biggest group of people needing illegal identification in the country gets busted for an illegal ID ring, that doesn't make it racist automaticially either. The logic just blows my mind. Just because Mexicans were busted, doesn't mean they were automatically targeting Mexicans.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 10:00 AM) Glad to see your true colors...finally... Eh, don't read too much into that. That was pretty much a completely sarcastic reply to an earier post, no matter how badly you want it to be my racism showing.

QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 09:56 AM) The Michigan City teachers' union? Nah, a little closer to the mills, but I got some interesting numbers from the MCEA too

QUOTE(Texsox @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 09:32 AM) I hope you don't think that's what I am implying here. No thats great be proud! Mexicans are better at this than anyone else. I mean who else gets to break laws and have people make excuses for them, while taking jobs and draining $40 billion from the US economy last year, which was sent to in cash Mexico, never to be spent in the US again. Can you think of anyone else who has a better set up? they must control a lot of TV and radio stations to convince everyone how great they are. But hey they are the greatest, and should be pround! Viva la Mexico!

QUOTE(Texsox @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 09:28 AM) Maybe not brainwashed, but come on, how often do we hear "media bias" when a story is unflattering to the GOP? Are you saying there are an equal number of liberal talk shows? Are you saying that these shows aren't advertiser driven? Be proud! The RNC is so much better at this than the DNC it makes the Dems look like amateur hour at the local comedy club. Name anyone on the planet that has been better at this over the past decade then Karl Rove? It's finally catching up to him, but the man is brilliant. See that's where you and I are different. You see that, and assume that means that the GOP is the ultimate evil media machine. I hear that and say what is the other side of the story. I find it interesting that somehow the democrats are this bunch of inept bumbling fools, who have this horrible disadvantage, because they never thought to be mean to anyone else in their whole lives. The poor guys can't even get their message out. Awww, poor democrats. I am sure that there is no chance that there isn't an equally effective movement that decries everything that Republicians say as either the rantings of religious wackos, or a neo-con conspiracy to try to take over the world, or control the worlds oil markets, or take down everyone who disagees with them, or completely disregard the law (because no other public officials have ever done that), who hate everyone who isn't a white christian male, who only care about the rich, and supply every man-woman-child in the country with a machine gun so that they can kill freely anyone who looks at them funny. Nope, it is just the evil Republicians.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 09:24 AM) I do mind. BTW, the reports seem confused about the violent killer. They didn't seem to be looking for him, just document forgers. If they were all non violent offenders, would the tactics then concern you? Cops stop high speed pursuits to protect citizens, they don't shoot at a fleeing suspect if there is a chance of an innocent person being harmed. Are you ok with letting them get away? My concern is they used over the top tactics as a way to silence a protest. That smacks of terrorism and something we can not allow our police to do. Eh, why not. We let 12 million people do whatever they want anyway, I guess a few more crimes won't hurt, right. After all they aren't white, so they shouldn't be subject to our laws.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 09:17 AM) As I mentioned earlier, take down the violent killer away from innocent people, not in a crowded shopping mall. Do you think they would have tried to arrest a danferous killer at Woodfield, or allowed him to exit the mall? So you don't mind letting everyone else getting away once the word of the first arrest happens?

QUOTE(Texsox @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 09:11 AM) No re-read what I wrote. They can't control the media, even better, and this is what is genious, they control how you view the media. They have convinced a large segment of the population that the media has a liberal bias, is out to *get* the GOP, and is not to be believed. That is the beauty of their strategy. The talk radio is dominated by GOP leaning hosts. Just look at the shows that are available. How can you compare? The GOP lined up some great advertisers who will sponsor those shows in any market regardless of ratings and demographics. Brilliant. Be proud GOPers Oh, so we just control people's minds, the advertisors, and the radio. Yeah, brainwashed.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 09:07 AM) I am not against arresting and convicting them. I have no problem with that. But again, it's the tactics. Was the force appropriate for the situation? Would they have gone into Enron with the same tactics to arrest them for their white collar crimes? I think we need to over see the police and not allow them free reign. If they did indeed decide on this method because they wanted to send a message, or because of the race of the people, etc. we ought to know that. I don't want to draw this parallel, it wasn't that extreme, but think a couple steps from this and it looks like the gestapo coming in. That's what I want to avoid. They were selling false documents. Why would you think they were dangerous? Especially to the level that the police responded? I must be missing something in here. Were any of them already convicted for violent crimes? It looked like to me they were entering a Gang Headquarters not a shopping mall. So how do you break up a group that includes the crimes of illegal aliens, killing people, running an illegal ID ring, tax evasion, kidnapping, dismemberment, robbery, and conspiracy, (right off of the top of my head)?

QUOTE(Texsox @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 08:56 AM) LOL. The GOP has been screaming media bias for so long, it worked. 24/7 conservative talk. It's amazing. Be proud GOP_man. And I assume you are exaggerating, or else here's the tin foil No acutally I am not exaggerating. There is already on guy in this very thread who said he believes that ONLY the RNC partakes in these kind of activities, and you seem to believe that the media is a GOP controled machine. You guys are brainwashed.

3rd straight record close yesterday, but down so far in early trading. Looks like we will get the usual selloff on the Friday after a big up week. Look for stocks to settle right around the 13K mark today.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 08:26 AM) I'd suggest the opposite. He's soft right, with PR helping him reach the far right. He's far right on certain issues, not others. Exactly. He has played with the far right on some issues, but mainly it is just pandering. So far I am happy that all of the religious right candidates are pretty well buried in the polls. The guys out front are a little more moderate socially, which appeals to me.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 08:00 AM) SS, There is an appropriate amount of force that we allow our police to use. We don't expect them to raid Enron in full riot gear, pushing every MBA against the wall asking for ID, drawing their guns and kicking in the bathroom doors, to arrest people for white color crimes. When it appears that the police may have been in the terror game, it must be investigated. How many crimes need to be committed before we do something serious?

QUOTE(Texsox @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 08:08 AM) When the media reports on GOP failings, the GOP radio network, and their loyalists, start screaming media bias. Teflon. It's easily the single greatest political strategy of our time. They have insulated themselves from criticism. It's not about message. It's about the GOP faithful believing that any bad news is just media falsehoods and any good news is obviously fact and probably underplayed. Like I said, it's brilliant. Reagan had it by his larger than life personality and charm. They figured out how to synthesize it and wrap even someone like Bush in it. And there is never anything coming from the other side of the aisle... Yikes. You guys really are brainwashed. Yes the GOP is a complete multimedia machine which is unopposed by anything known to modern man, and has the power to control the thoughts of every man woman and child on the planet. That's why President Bush has a mid 30's approval rating. You keep buying the Clinton company line about a vast right wing conspiracy, because tin foil looks good on you.

So exactly what laws do people have to obey anymore?

QUOTE(Texsox @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 07:25 AM) The only difference between the two is the RNC is much better at this and has control of the publics perception of the media (against the GOP, helpful to Dem) and the opinion talk shows. The RNC doesn't have to control the media, all they had to do is discredit it. Obviously it is pretty much the opposite of that. If the GOP agenda is making it out into the public hands, and the DNC isn't. If they had such good control of things, there wouldn't be leaks, for example, like the DNC. They get their message out, and no one even seems to notice it.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 07:26 AM) link? No link. Info from a union rep I know.

QUOTE(Damen @ Apr 26, 2007 -> 04:49 PM) If I did I would have said so. I think what's important is what the RNC has decided to focus on. Hillary's fake, Edward's is a f**, Obama's an exaggerator (there's a new one) and so on and so forth. They've got very little to go on, so this is what they want the media to focus on. And you can bet the bank that a number of them will. If you seriously believe that only the RNC does this kind of stuff, there isn't much point in even talking to you about politics at all.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 26, 2007 -> 02:10 PM) Romney still does, but, he's already flip-flopped more than his Massachusetts buddy John Kerry ever did. Plus Giuliani is a slime-ball. And Brownback is scary-social-conservative. McCain still my fave too, despite his poorly reasoned Iraq stance. No matter how much money Romney has raised, he will get crushed when things get serious. He has gotten a lot of money from a small base, but the whole mormon thing will hold him back, big time. Brownback doesn't have a chance to advance, as he has zero recognition, and with all of the big name candidates, he will get lost in the shuffle.' McCain would be my bet, if I were forced to do so. I would have picked him in 04 out of all of the primary candidates from the R side of the slate, today I am not so sure. No one else is really worth mentioning IMO...

This race will only be interesting if Fred Thompson gets invovled. Outside of McCain and Guiliani, no one else really has a chance.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Apr 26, 2007 -> 01:55 PM) This election is the Dems to lose. Bush's approval rating is a stench that will stick to every GOP candidate that is currently out there. So the Dems can either think Now we can elect a "barrier breaker: in Obama or Clinton or Don't f*** this up by nominating an unelectable candidate. Hillary is about as unelectable as anyone in the field. Obama is approaching that level. Hillary has too much negative baggage. Edwards would win in a cakewalk. I wouldn't bet on Edwards just yet. He would be the second easiest candidate for the Repubs to demonize, next to Hillary. The work has done, the positions he has had, and the stances he has take will be very easy to fire up a Republician base with, and potentially scare some moderates. Believe it or not, I think the hardest person for the Repubs to go after would actually be Barrack, because they risk looking like racists if the attacks are too harsh.