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Hawks pick Mark McNeill with 18th overall pick. Compared to Manny Malhotra. Physically ready at 18 years old according to Pierre.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 08:27 PM) Wow. That's higher than I would have thought. Considering they were basically asking for a 2nd, that's petty damn good value. They must have some big plans.

Brouwer to the Capitals for the 26th pick.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 07:06 PM) And he's a Croat, so that's not even bias talking there... He's not Croatian. He's a Serbian born in Montenegro.

Also appears that Brouwer has been on the table all day. May be dealt to Ottawa for a 2nd rounder?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 07:03 PM) So does that mean the trade isn't happening or not? I'm confused. There's mixed reports. Some say he was asked last night to waive his NTC and he said no. Others say he never declined anything. Others are saying that there a numerous teams in play, including the Canucks.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 02:04 PM) Anyone thinking that Mirotic is going to be any good is being kinda silly. I think his best-case scenario is Ersan Ilyasova. That's just ignorant.

Those comparing Mirotic to Kukoc are extremely mistaken and simply making the comparison based on his height and location of the world he comes from. His game is much more comparable to Bargnani. Kukoc didn't have nearly the outside jumper that Mirotic has. He's a legit 6'10 and has room to grow in his frame. Unlike a lot of international players who get drafted, this guy actually plays quality minutes and is insanely efficient.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 06:42 PM) He's not good defensively. Do you watch games, or just look at stats? You can't deny that he helped the Blackhawks immensely when he came back though. They definitely needed the boost, but the possibility of getting that contract off our hands is HUGE. Sure, he makes some mistakes sometimes, but he also helps a ton when the offense can't get anything going. The cap raise, plus dumping Campbell, gives the Hawks an absolute ton of freedom for free agents, trades, and extending Sharp.

Any health professionals out there? Every once in a while, when I really stretch out my upper body or torso, I get this crazy sharp pain in my sternum and it'll linger for a few hours, sometimes up to a day or 2. It can get really painful when I move around too. It's a sharp pain, almost feels like I strained a muscle in my sternum or ribcage or something. If I take a really deep breath afterwards, I can feel it, but it isn't necessarily painful. Any ideas?

Two years in a row the Hawks get screwed by scheduling. 17 back-to-backs and 2 long road trips.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 11:21 PM) I have to agree with Jason here. I'm all about being able to voice opinions - positive or negative - but a lot of the posting on here (particularly the PHT) has gotten ridiculous. I hardly ever read PHT anymore and rarely post in it, mainly because of reasons Jason has pointed out. I pretty much stick to SLaM and the Sports Pub, which is actually really sad to me since the only reason I ever used to come to this board was to talk Sox baseball. That's exactly what we're trying to get away from. I've had similar experiences. It's impossible to be optimistic on PHT anymore because you will get smashed instantly and called an idiot. Hell, I've avoided game threads like the plague for a LONG time now.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 11:04 PM) But I'm not. That's the thing. So I have to put more effort and emphasis on why I disagree with A Sox/Bulls/Bears move in comparison to another teams' move? Again, it's all about presentation. But at the same time, if you're telling me Bosh is better than Rose, there's no good way to present that. You need to think big-picture and not criticize and overreact for every little thing. "Looking forward to another year of Keith Bogans as the starting 2-guard on a team with title aspirations." "Butler? lol. Pathetic. I hate Chicago teams." "Whatever. We could draft Jojo English and some fans would try to make a positive out of it. Ain't no way in hell Butler was a better prospect than Hamilton and Johnson. I don't have to get paid to know this. I look forward to losing to the Heat in 6 games next year (assuming there is a next year)." You went on and on and on about not taking a 2-guard and not picking the best player available, yet when people try to counter your opinion, you ignored it. What the hell were you expecting them to take at the end of the 1st round that was going to make them instantly better against Miami? Butler is a "pathetic" pick? He's a great fit, ESPECIALLY with Thibs' defense-1st philosophy. But the biggest thiung is you attacking posters for possibly being positive about a pick (OH! The horror!) and writing their opinion off. You tend to do those things a lot. It seems like you type away without thinking. Jordan freaking Hamilton isn't going to make the Bulls better than the Heat. There's a reason these guys lasted to the end of the 1st in a horrible draft. You also tend to post the "if you do/don't think ____________ will do ________________, then you don't know s*** about ___________________." That's f***ing annoying and it makes it seem like you think you know more than everyone.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 10:58 PM) So if I said every move the Cubs made was horses*** that would be OK? I mean, I know this isn't Cubstalk. But is it totally inconceivable that I can dislike what the Sox, Bulls or Bears are doing? Why must you continue to be condescending and snarky? It's posts like these that make people think you do it just to do it and that you want the attention.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 10:53 PM) Aww, don't go away, but please try to be less defensive. Really, some of us would miss you. Anyway, I'm thinking a line like this from the AJ v PV thread was a more likely inspiration for the warning than anything you did today: "I'm not sure if you have made a meaningful contribution in any thread since you've been here." Of course, I could be wrong/missed a few posts. There's a dozen or so posters who seem to say things just to piss people off. Try to look at Soxalk from an outside perspective. If you read the board and a lot of the posts, you'd think that people want guys like Pierre or Peavy or Dunn to fail just so they can say "I told you so." There are literally a few posters who I think enjoy seeing the team fail. And like Jason said, when you have bad posters preventing good posters from wanting to post, that becomes a big problem and it only compounds itself. Bad posters post more, good posters go away, discussion turns to crap, and the overall quality of the board decreases more and more.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 10:42 PM) Well Jason just pretty much threatened any and all that is not nice that they will get suspended or banned. I'm not going to off myself over this board. I've posted here for years because I chose to. I obviously like the board. But I'm not going to adjust how I really feel about the TEAM or teams to please the mods or admins. Lay out the criteria. Don't just threaten to take action without being specific. Has anybody been attacking posters? Have we been too mean to Jake Peavy? I mean, what is it? Everyone respects your opinion. How you present that opinion is the main problem.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 10:34 PM) And I'll say it again, I don't care what you think of me. I will say whatever the f***l I want to say when I want to say it. As long as I'm not attacking other posters, I should be game. But it looks like the criteria is changing. No one is saying you can't say what you want to say. But the things you say tend to be incredible annoying.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 10:20 PM) Yeah, I feel so much better now. If Craig Ehlo says, "I'm going to get bigger, stronger, etc, to defend Michael Jordan," I'm not going to feel better. You have the uncanny ability to turn anything into an extreme or a negative. An extreme negative even. You also have the uncanny ability to make yourself look and sound like an absolute moron.

First thing Butler said in his press conference is that he's going to put work in to guard Lebron and Wade so the Bulls could get championships. f*** ya, I'm on board.

Both Luol and Butler will be in the gym working on their shooting, per Forman.

Gar Forman live on CSN right now.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 09:53 PM) And in a team sport like basketball, this means nothing. Rose's team won 62. Bosh's team won 40. STOP IT.

I'm about to bash my brain into a brick wall. I need to leave SoxTalk.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 09:30 PM) Whatever. We could draft Jojo English and some fans would try to make a positive out of it. Ain't no way in hell Butler was a better prospect than Hamilton and Johnson. I don't have to get paid to know this. I look forward to losing to the Heat in 6 games next year (assuming there is a next year). Right, because Hamilton or Johnson would have put us over the top against Miami. QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 09:31 PM) Bulls beating the Heat likely isnt going to depend on who was picked in the end of the first round, and more is going to depend on how Rose and the actual Bulls players play. EXACTLY QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 09:33 PM) I didn't say that. But they clearly didn't take the best player available. A player that might be good in three years. Yawnnnnnnnn. This isn't baseball.. A lot of people had Mirotic as the best player available. Do you like Omer Asik?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 09:32 PM) Ive heard 2 players called the best shooting big men now. Best means no one is better. Bilas said 2 times that Harper was the best shooting big man.