FlaSoxxJim

But the Irawi UAVs with the capability to deliver a weapon to our shores DID NOT EXIST despite teh fact that 3/4 of US Semators were told otherwise JUST BEFORE they authorized the use of force.

Yeah, I was paraphrasing from Fred Kaplan's article and didn't put it as eloquently as he did.

Kap, please square your statements with the information I gave in the post above citing as INCORRECT the assertion that Congress had the information they needed to make an informed decision. They did not. They were duped. Congress only failed us in taking this administration at its word. Hopefully it doesn't make the same mistake again, and hopefully we don't let them.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Nov 15, 2005 -> 01:01 PM) I don't disagree with you there. But there are two things that the Republicans are saying that simply isn't true. That Congress - when voting for the resolution authorizing force - were privy to the same intelligence as the President. Not true. The intelligence the Senate was given was provided BY the White House. Filtered and all. And that the Senate found no wrongdoing by the Whitehouse in misleading Congress with the intelligence after an investigation. Again not true. Congress was charged to make an investigation into that. In two parts - the first - which dealt with the accuracy of the intelligence showed that the intelligence was wrong. The second - still hasn't taken place after 18 months and is the reason that Harry Reid closed the Senate the other week. I genuinely think that many on both sides acted in good faith on the President's request. I don't think blood is intentionally on their hands. However, when it became apparent - two years ago that there may have been deliberate misrepresentation, Congress should have been more aggressive to investigate these claims. They weren't. And as a result, there is plenty more blood on their hands. All of these are good points that for some reason are failing to get any traction. In regard to the second point about the investigation, the first part of the Congressional investigation was specifically limited to how intel was mis-handled, with the second (yet to happen) investigation to focus on the potentially more sinister why aspects. As for the assertion that Congress saw the same intel as the White House, of course that is untrue. Congress was sent a ca. 100 page NIE report and a much shorter, "slicker" Executive Summary from which to draw their conclusions. But neither the NIE or the Exec Summary bothered to note there were many dissenting views within the intelligence community. One specific example, is that Congress was not made aware until much later that the Energy Department voiced serrious doubts that the infamous aluminum tubes were designed for atomic centrifuges. Similarly, the State Department had vocalized a dissenting opinion about the existence of the supposed "mobile biological weapons labs," but Congress was unaware of such when they gave war authorization. Fred Kaplan's Slate piece on Parsing Bush's New Mantra does a very good job in highlighting these and other divergences between what was said in GWB's Veterans Day speech and the facts.

If anybody ever sees me out shopping in that madhouse the day after Thanksgiving, please shoot me.

"cuddlery". . . I also apprciate your anger, but the stahement that "these yahoos are no better or worse than KKK members or Al Queida members" is hyperbole. KKK members or Al Queida members have been driven to terorize amd kill by their beliefs. Green Day is making records. The DK's Frankenchrist caused a big uproar and a lot of oitrage when it came out, too. And it sold a lot of albums. Controversy sells, for better or worse. But as long as your opinions remain words and not deeds, they are Constitutionally protected, as they should be. EDIT to add: Of course the insertion (he he) of H.R. Giger's "Penis Landscape" artwork into the sleeve helped spark a lot of the controversy in the case of Frankenchrist.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 11:59 PM) note to self: remind FlasoxxJim to stop kissing transvesites immediately. I do have rules you know. Rule 1: Never on the lips!

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 11:15 PM) I think someone's just after some free coffee.... I've seen this trick before: We'll take one. . . no, make that TWO cases of Elsonore. And I believe that order will be on the house.

QUOTE(FoxySoxGirl @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 10:56 PM) I assumed she was a teacher..since that sort of relationship seems to be way too popular these days..it's just odd "Those that can't, do (. . . THEIR STUDENTS!!)

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 10:41 PM) Craptacular = great word. Alas, all the best words of the last 15 years seem to have come from the Simpsons.

QUOTE(SoxRock05 @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 09:34 PM) Can someone tell me the name of the pirates of the carabian song and where i can find it....or lead me to a thread with the answer.....you can delete thread after...thank you.... Do you mean the song from the Disney ride? If so, it's "Yo Ho Yo Ho; A Pirates Life For Me" by Xavier Atencio and composer George Bruns. If you mean some craptacular lame modern sond from the film, I can't help you. I love the words to this - so Disney-like. . .

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 06:57 PM) Churches and political parties needed something, and homosexuals filled the gap. . . Must. . . resist. . . tasteless. . . anatomical joke. . .

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 08:44 PM) Personally, I think it is the green that hooks him though lol. Lime green hatchback, I mean milkshake. . . It's a thing of beauty!

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 08:19 PM) thank you I thought the "box turtle" quip was even better.

Whole story: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=1311811

QUOTE(SnB @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 06:00 PM) honestly, what else would he use? oh i know http://www.nearlygood.com/video/crazytradingspouse.html *Shudder* I swear that lady is the living embodiment of the mean bus driver lady form South Park.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 05:32 PM) wow....... just wow.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 05:42 PM) Do you think God really has pop tart monster minions, though? Yes. Yes I do.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 05:43 PM) By the way, this quote must appear in any thread on the MicRib: "The animal we made them from is extinct." "The cow?" "The pig?" "You're way off... think smaller... think more legs!" Mmmm, Krusty Burger. . .

Hmm, could be real. . . A testimonial:

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 04:55 PM) If I am going fast food, I am at What-a-Burger or Jack-in-the-Box. Hands down better than BK or McDs. We just had Whataburger open up out here and for the life of me I can't get my wife to go. I haven't had them in years, but I loved them way back then. She hasn't had them in years either, and is vowing to keep it that way.

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) Yeah...he tends to take it personally when people make anti-semitic, anti-Zionist and/or anti-Israel remarks. Well, color me slow on the uptake. I had no idea you were Izzy's kin, Steve. And no anti-semitism remarks here. As a mater of fact, just this past weekend I was defending the name change of the fish Epinephelus itajara from Jewfish to Goliath Grouper in a conversation with some fellow biologsts. They thought it would be going too far, however, to change the common name of Haemulon flavolineatum from the French Grunt to the Freedom Grunt. . . Socialist Frog-loving Bastards!

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 03:16 PM) Interesting. I am going to reserve judgement until I hear who takes over. There is no denying that Brian got much better as the season went on, but he still was no Dave Wills. But good luck to Brian no matter where he lands. Yeah, it took a while for him to find his stride, but I grew to really like his postgame show toward the end of the season.

I seriously have anew love for that Lionel Ritchie song after seeing it during the playoffs in that energy drink commercial with all the nocturnal animals rocking out.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 03:04 PM) does the McRib actually come with the rib bones? no wonder they're getting rid of it.... No, no bones. Extra gristle. Possibly some meat, not entirely sure.