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to the soldiers who have faught, and still fight, out of belief in a just cause, who strive to do the right thing, and who fight to maintain their humanity and compassion while being called to duty to do a job that is by definition lacking in both. Bertrand Russell on WW1, on the anniversary of the Armistice of that war that took the lives of 9 million soldiers: "All this madness, all this rage, all this flaming death of our civilization and our hopes, has been brought about because a set of official gentlemen, living luxurious lives, mostly stupid, and all without imagination or heart, have chosen that it should occur rather than that any one of them should suffer some infinitesimal rebuff to his country's pride."

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QUOTE(zach61 @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 06:52 PM) She might be a good candidate to send to the UN to sell our next war. ZING! Yes, it is ironic that if you're in the media and you don't have your facts 100% checked out you get crucified, but if you are the President the same thing gets you the war you asked Santa for.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 03:09 PM) That about sums up the "leftists" point of view, am I correct? That's one snarky post tehre, Kap. The "leftist" position is that the war was sold based on one set of claims – the "grave and gathering danger" Saddam and his stockpile of WMDs posed to the US. Having found out those claims were unfounded (I'm being nice) in the wake of the invasion, the administration and its aiders and abbeters have decided that it's fine and well to now state that the war is justified for an entirely different reason – a liberated and democratic (and hopefully not entirely killed off) Iraq. The reality, the absolute reality, is that spreading freedom and democracy would never have been enough of a cause to get Congress and much of the public to back the war ambitions of the administration. We can all rattle of a number of countries in serious need of freedom and democracy and human rights, but their plights are met with a collective yawn by the western world. The "leftist" position is that there was a rush to war that precluded weapons inspectors from finishing their job, made us more or a terror target than we were before, alienated many long-time allies, and showed the rest of the world that we really don't give a f*** what they think. The "leftist" position is that the fact that our president is "not a big details guy" and doesn't like people to tell him bad news led to his isolation from reality and left Cheney and the WHIG free to call shots that are not in the long-term best interests of the country, in terms of national security, economics, and world standing. The "leftist" position is that ethically and morally our soldiers are actually supposed to be better than the enemy, not just pretend that they are.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 01:24 PM) Jim. Do you know what 25 MM rounds do to human bodies? Or .50 caliber rounds? or 40 MM grenade rounds? HE rounds? Bombs dropped from planes? They tend to do stuff a lot like what happened to those POS insurgents you have pictured there. This is a non-story if I ever heard of one. If I took a terrorist that was killed by an exploding bomb or caught in a fire and laid him next to someone killed by WP you couldn't tell me the difference. Nuke, I well understand that flesh is going to lose to the munitions in all of those cases. But trying to rationalize your comments about the POS insurgents with the images I saw, they must really be recruiting young. 1-2 years old in some cases. There is ZERO regard for collateral civilian casualties here. And if this is such a non-story, then why was the military trying to clean up the evidence of chemical weapon use after the attack, and why was the story about WP not being a munition floated if in fact it is used in such a way?

I avoided looking at these VERY GRAPHIC and unsettling images for the first few days of this "story" (Why is this not all over the place?). But seeing the results of the chemical weapons attack (that is what it is regardless of how it is officially classified) on countless civilians tells me that there is no level of inhuman barbarism to which we will not sink in this war. We have irrevocably lost any fragment of moral high ground we may have still been clinging to by raining hell onto a city in this way. These are VERY GRAPHIC images of the dead, from the website of embedded journalist Dahr Jamail. http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/view_alb...=album32&page=1 Also, here's a link to a thread on the subject from Daily Kos yesterday that has some eyewitness accounts of how the soldiers firing the WP/Shake&bake mortar rounds never questioned what it was they were firing at or what the effects were. For the sake of their sanity and souls (if you cotton to such), I understand why. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/9/164137/436

QUOTE(CubKilla @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 11:55 AM) President Bush May Send Up To 5 Marines For French Assistance President Bush has authorized the Joint Chiefs to begin drawing up a battle plan to pull France's ass out of the fire again. Facing an apparent overwhelming force of up to 400 pissed off teenagers, Mr. Bush doubts France's ability to hold off the little pissants. "Hell, if the last two world wars are any indication, I would expect France to surrender any day now," said Bush. Joint Chiefs head, Gen. Peter Pace, warned the President that it might be necessary to send up to 5 marines to get things under control. The general admitted that 5 marines may be overkill but he wanted to get this thing under control within 24 hours of arriving on scene. He stated he was having a hard time finding even one marine to help those ungrateful bastards out for a third time but thought that he could persuade a few women marines to do the job before they went on pregnancy leave. President Bush asked Gen. Pace to get our marines out of there as soon as possible after order was restored. He also reminded Gen. Pace to make sure the marines did not take soap, razors, or deodorant with them. The least they stand out the better. "No trees were killed in the making of this email......however, a large number of electrons were diverted from where they originally wanted to go." OK, that's pretty funny. . .

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 11:51 PM) This is not the end of this story, as it is still in the Senate version, and the Republicans may very well put it back into the final version which comes out of the conference committee (They've stuck far more random things in there before). Link Not the end of the story, to be sure. But a welcome relief for the moment. It's interesting how now it is the Senate which has been quick to pass ANWR drilling measures whereas in the last couple years the were more cautious about it and the Hous more reckless.

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 11:55 AM) LOL!!! Yeah, I'm finally making it! Just download the dang thing man. Eh, I downloaded the zip file yesterday and thought I'd be hip and stream me some Radio Free Carl.

Oh, you must have a few listeners on now. because the tunes keep stalling and needing to rebuffer. Damn, s*** like this always happens when a musician becomes too popular. . .

QUOTE(The Critic @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 10:23 AM) 83rd & Cicero, the stand is still up, with "SALE!" signs on it, so I'm assuming they won't be there much longer. I stopped at that stand Friday before WS Game 1 and was blown away by how much the guy wanted for the knockoff crap. He had some authentic ALCS stuff as well, but it was more expensive from him than it was a couple blocks down the road at Sports Authority.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 08:49 AM) So the terror sponge doesn't hold up with me. And not with all the dead people in terror attacks in Bali, Spain, London, Jordan, etc. either I'd imagine.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 08:40 AM) According to most people on the left, the reasons above are not good enough. Why is that? here's the question: If all those reasons were good enough, why not try selling that to the average American when the administration was going to war? The answer, of course, is that it wouldn't have played to Congress and to the public like the fearmongering campaign did.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 08:58 AM) Well, when a better SCIENTIFIC theory comes along let me know. . . Ahem, FSG, Ahem!!

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 10:01 AM) I changed things up a bit now, and created a Multiply site for my stuff. Anybody wants it, go get it!!! There is another song there that was not in the .zip file I posted here. Kid Gleasons Multiply Site with FREE MUSIC!!! ***WARNING!!! The illusion might be shattered as you will find out my real name there!!!*** The Multiplier Site is cool, I'll have to figure out how to do that and put up some tracks. And I like that track with youur little girl. She can hit a note better than my little girl can, but hopefully she grows out of it and didn't really inherit her Mom's tin ear.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 10:00 AM) Either "eng" or "ang", probably. Like the song by They Might Be Giants, "Ana Ng". I love that song....yeah, I'm a dork..... Ana Ng and I are getting old And we still haven't walked in the glow of each other's majestic presence Listen Ana hear my words They're the ones you would think I would say if there was a me for you My kids are turning into hardcore They Might Be Giants fans after they fell in love with the "No" CD.

QUOTE(mkalk @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 09:00 AM) How much were they charging for these pieces of crap? Seriously, these shoes suck. $80.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 12:50 PM) I can't even think of what had to be going through the minds of her kids when she drowned them. Mom, why are you doing this?? Even 4 years later I get choked up thinking about this one, it's just absolutely brutal. Poor, poor kids. I never said there were not underlying psychological and/or pharmaceutical reasons underlying her actions (as is the case with so many brutal acts), simply that the story hit me incredibly hard when it happened and it still hits me hard now that it is back in the news. From my standpoint, except in the case of the most singularly selfish individuals, maternal instinct would override murderous postpartum urges. If things seem so hopeless and desparate, take yourself out of the game and leave your kids alive. JMO

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QUOTE(Soxy @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 11:52 PM) AAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Their their, Soxy, don't take it to hard.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 11:48 PM) Damn liberal media...always trying to hold republican NAMBLA members like myself down Your all in cahoots I tell you...cahoots FIGHT THE MAN! (but love the boys? )

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 11:42 PM) The best part is I really had no idea bout it. We've been talking in a chat for a while now and they were asking me about NAMBLA. I had no idea what the hell they were talking about so we finally googled it and than finally it comes out I've been had. WOW, I can't stop laughing. But archived somewhere in the bowels of the Internet is the "fact" of your past association with NAMBLA. If you ever thought about running for elected office, I figure that will sink you.

QUOTE(Mercy! @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 11:32 PM) Sorry for the weirdness. When I first opened your post, there was no illustration accompanying it. So I just thought I’d help you out with an appropriate photo. Now that I see that humongous Crotalus atrox, I say shame on whoever killed that magnificent old beast. Correct formatting of genus and species is greatly apprciated. But how come no taxonomy for the flattened Procyon lotor?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 03:45 PM) I thought nipple confusion was getting picked off of first base, no? *Rim Shot* He's here through Thursday, folks.