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Everything posted by Rex Kickass
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Yes. These superdelegates have pledged to vote for one candidate or the other, they are not beholden to what happens in their state. In fact, in many states - like the Electoral College, delegates are not bound to the results of a state primary.
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Yes, a candidate has to have 50%+1 of the delegates in a convention to take the nod.
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The Delegate Count: Iowa % vote Delegates Super Total Obama: 38 16 2 18 Edwards: 30 14 3 17 Clinton: 29 15 2 17 New Hampshire % vote Delegates Super Total Clinton: 39 9 2 11 Obama: 37 9 3 12 Edwards: 17 4 0 4 Total Count: Super Total Clinton: 159 183 Obama: 53 78 Edwards: 34 52 Weird, huh? The last time a woman controlled as many delegates at a convention was Shirley Chisholm in 1972. She had 152 delegates and won the state of NJ's primary.
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Technically, if he controls a delegate, he has a chance if he suddenly gets a few thousand to switch their ballots.
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Funny thing about primaries. They do weird things. 8,000 votes in NH on the second election of the system will not decide this. NH was her firewall. If she had lost NH convincingly, it would have been about done for her. SC is a big state for Obama, and NV doesn't matter so much - not a lot of campaigning going on there. Beyond that, Obama needs a strong second in CA, and winning a lot of states in the South. If Obama is still raising millions, and according to drudge, he's raise a half mil since this morning, he'll have the funds to get out his message. Which means he ain't out.
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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 10:49 PM) I don't think that winning Nevada and S.C. is going to be enough. Clinton will take Michigan, and even if Obama wins those 2, he still has to find a way to dent Clinton on Super Tuesday, and I don't think he'll be able to do that. Maybe if Edwards dropped out and endorsed him, but other than that. Michigan has no delegates. And Obama isn't even on the ballot there. NV is important for Obama, less so than SC though. If both these states keep them neck and neck however, we'll see this go through Super Tuesday. Clinton will win NY, probably NJ and CT as well... Obama will do well in IL, WI, MO and a large part of the South. Partially because of his IL roots, partially because he is African American and southern primaries for the Dems have a super high African American component, and partially because he does very well with church going Democrats, according to NH exit polls. I think Clinton/Obama 08, Obama/Clinton 08 is becoming much more likely as this contest continues to draw on. Trivia: Hillary Clinton now officially becomes the best performing woman candidate for President in US history. Who held this spot previously?
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28 states have their Primary/Caucus on Tuesday Feb 5. There was Super Tuesday which was about 15 contests. Because Feb 5 has gotten so large, its now often referred to as Sooper Dooper Tuesday or Tsunami Tuesday.
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CNN calls it for Hillary.
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CNN is just being super cautious. The votes just aren't there for Obama. Obama's biggest challenge is being seen as electable. Same for Clinton. The turnout has been so huge for the Primary this year, though. How awesome is this!
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South Carolina becomes so important here. The vote is nearly 50% African American in the Dem primary. If Obama wins, its still up for grabs. If Clinton wins the AA vote, Obama is done.
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AP calls it for Hillary. And no this doesn't give Hillary the nomination. SC does.
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I like having this thing not decided by an Obama blowout by the way. The longer this remains a two or three person race, the stronger the eventual nominee will become.
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Not even Hillary. I think Edwards is running to be a kingmaker.
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DEM Turnout is again amazing. Easily doubling the GOP turnout. The winner tonight? Democrats.
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New prediction based on initial Manchester numbers. Clinton ekes out a one point victory in NH.
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Half of Manchester reporting, Clinton up there by 1400 votes. Nice turnout organization on her part.
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Fox News exit poll has Obama winning by 5.
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Big fight is gonna be for third in the GOP race between Paul and Huckabee.
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CNN Calls it for McCain. Currently a 700 vote difference between Clinton and Obama.
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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 08:11 PM) LOL, the more rural areas close an hour earlier than the more urban ones, so there's a guaranteed bias in reporting times. CNN Exit Polls show Clinton winning by 4 points in urban areas.
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Simple. 50 states have delegates towards nominating a party's candidate. Each state has different rules that allow members of the party, or in some states, non-affiliated voters to decide which candidates should their delegates align with. Primaries were developed so that the parties were no longer run by smoke filled back rooms, and give voters a chance to choose who should represent them. The rules, however, are different in every state. The candidate that has the number of pledged delegates that match up with the minimum number of delegates needed (50%+1) at the convention becomes the nomination.
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Early returns show 37 Clinton, 36 Obama. McCain winning by 10+ over Romney. Stick a fork in em and get out yr oven mitt. Romney's done.
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Edwards will stay "in" the race, but failing to finish second in SC sticks a fork in him. Bill Richardson is welcoming Senator Edwards back to the second tier!
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Predicition: Obama 44 Clinton 30 Edwards 17 Richardson 8 ____ McCain 32 Romney 30 Paul 12 Huckabee 12 Guiliani 9 Thompson 4 Hunter 1
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QUOTE(Reddy @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 04:57 AM) even though he's the exact opposite....? i understand y'all don't like trial lawyers apparently, but i'm staying right now with a doctor who is a die hard edwards supporter. hmmm interesting that he doesn't fault him for his career choice. Edwards, if you actually talked to the man - if you actually listened - is the most genuine candidate i think we've seen in a long time. why is it that every other candidate keeps stealing his ideas, platforms, even speeches? Yesterday i heard Clinton say "this is very personal for me". Straight out of John Edwards. Obama said "I walk the walk". Straight out of John Edwards. The health care plans? Edwards came up with it first - they took it and called it their own. He's been a leader on almost every issue but he's not black and he's not a woman so the media didn't care. He also is against the giant corporate conglomerates that RUN the media... so they have a stake in him losing. look - yesterday i met some incredible people. people with nothing - literally clawing to survive. a house made of wooden shingles and a tin roof. IN AMERICA. These people have been thrown by the wayside. The husband of a couple i met lost his job cuz he was hurt. Now he's "supporting" his family off of SS. for how long? and is that enough? no. They told me about friends dying because they didn't have health insurance. I talked with him and his wife for half an hour yesterday and when i left i was near tears because it was that heartbreaking. I've never been so inspired in my life This is who Edwards is fighting for. These people NEED this man. Obama can't do it - doesn't have the balls. Clinton can't do it - she just doesn't care about these people. You all can bicker all you want about this that and the other, but right now I'm out here fighting for people with nothing and i'm fighting against huge odds to get a man into office who can change this country. Y'all might think i'm a bit crazy - but sometimes you need crazy people out there if you want to actually accomplish something. Reddy: Hillary was all about universal health care before John Edwards even entered public life.
