Dick Allen

Mitchell Boggs got his ERA under 10.00.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ May 21, 2014 -> 09:14 PM) Davidson at .201 Is it bad that I'm excited for that? It doesn't take much to be excited about a White Sox prospect these days. We would be downright giddy about Joe Borchard if he was doing what he was doing his first go around in AA. Personally, even though it is too early, I think the guys with the ridiculous k rates, namely Hawkins and Davidson, aren't going to amount to much.but they still are 2 of our better hopes.

Tank hit it too hard.

Placed on waivers to be released.

Kepp was released.

Trading your good players for prospects is so Theo, and so maybe 2018. Just keep Alexei unless someone wants to give you something crazy.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 21, 2014 -> 02:28 PM) D.O.B. too. position played would be helpful.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ May 21, 2014 -> 01:12 PM) This is beyond awesome coming from you. Everything I post is awesome.

And that is why he only threw 20 pitches during his side session.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 21, 2014 -> 12:57 PM) The only people that claim it is or is intended to be the "be all, end all" of statistics are those who don't understand what they're talking about. EDIT: Like you. Maybe while trying to make someone look a fool next time your saber buddy starts adding up individual WAR coming up with team win totals, you can point this out.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 21, 2014 -> 08:47 AM) 1. Micah Johnson 2. Tim Anderson 3. Tyler Danish 4. Courtney Hawkins 5. Matt Davidson *Fall off a massive, massive cliff* 6. Trey Michalczewski 7. Carlos Sanchez 8. Rangel Ravelo Um I can't even fill out these last two spots. I guess: 9. Chris Beck 10. Trayce Thompson I totally agree with your top 5 order.

The fact that anyone even thinks it's a possibilty the Sox maybe, possibly, perhaps should give Dunn a qualifying offer makes me wonder if the 2011,2012 and 2013 seasons were just dreams. I don't have the hate many at least had for him, even though I have been a proponent for dumping him to anyone willing to eat the contract, but even if he wound up having the best season of his career, I wouldn't give him a QO.

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ May 21, 2014 -> 06:56 AM) The Sox will not be a playoff team this year. Far too many holes. Sell anyone over 30. If the Sox are going to keep trotting Beckham and Gillispie out there, they should teach Semien how to play CF so they can trade or DFA ADA. I advocated getting Semien some OF time. I got slammed, but it makes a lot of sense. He doesn't seem too bothered to play 3b or 2b, and the OF should be fairly easy for him to be mediocre. It gives him more of an opportunity to play. Ultimately, it could really be beneficial, not just this year, but for his career.

Soxtalk didn't like Santana or Jimenez, but for some reason have a fascination with Masterson, a guy who has put up exactly 2 seasons of more than 10 starts and an ERA lower than 4.50.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 21, 2014 -> 11:04 AM) When you don't have the benefit of choosing the situations that a guy's production happens, your best guess in wins added is WAR. The true value of those contributions is affected by context later, but you can't predict that context, so WAR represents essentially an average. Add up all the things he did, good and bad, and in the average effect of those things is his WAR and the best guess you have. It isn't the most likely outcome against the field, but of all possible individual outcomes, it is the most likely. So comparing Dunn's value in context with AJP's value out of context is apples to oranges. It's kind of the difference between the questions, "What has Dunn done for the team?" and "what would Dunn likely contribute if we added him to the team?" One can, for example, believe that Dunn has been a huge difference maker this year and simultaneously think that the right decision would have been to cut him in the previous offseason. If I bet my entire life savings on a 3/6 offsuited hand pre-flop, and end up winning on a full house, there's no question that I ended up with a great hand. But the hand was only great in context. It's s*** on average, which means it's s*** in a context neutral environment, which is all I have to go on when I decide to go all-in pre-flop. I thought sabermetrics took care of all that for us. Didn't you tell us it will let us know if player A is better than player B far better than our eyes or traditional numbers will tell us? If you are going to say AJPs 3 WAR season takes the Sox from 63 to 66 wins, then don't say Adam Dunn's 0.3 WAR season takes the Sox from 22 wins down to 19 or 20 without him, or WAR numbers are ridiculous. If a 3 WAR doesn't mean making a 63 win team a 66 win team, then it shouldn't be used as an argument against when someone is saying a certain player would have a bigger impact. That's all I am saying. I personally don't feel adding a 5 WAR player while dumping a 1 WAR player means 4 extra wins. All I am saying it that was used when they didn't like the argument, so when they actually like the player, perhaps they should use the same standard.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 21, 2014 -> 10:26 AM) You obviously have not looked at Dunn's numbers very closely then. Dunn 2013 - .219/.320/.442/.762, 12.5% BB rate, 31.1% K rate Dunn 2014 - .250/.394/.476/.869, 18.7% BB rate, 29% K rate How is any of that "not that much better than his production the last calendar year?" Please, explain. First, look up the definition of calendar year. Then go look at the last 365 days of stats. He was beyond horrible in April and May last year. And giving me crap about it is saying he really has little chance to keep it up. The exact opposite of what I wrote.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 21, 2014 -> 09:56 AM) OK, they'd be exactly where they are. Are you happy now? They are still a game below .500, but it wouldn't be surprising if they were 4 or 5 games below if he weren't here. WAR is context neutral. That homer he hit last night that was the difference in the Sox winning and losing was not context neutral. The Sox would have been better last year with AJ. Maybe 72 wins, maybe 75, maybe 67 wins. It's not the difference between them competing and not. One more FYI - Dunn's WPA this year is 0.72. That's currently on pace to be his best total since 2010. LMAO. You often use a guy's WAR and add it to the team win total to tell us what difference he would have made. You did it with AJ last year, laughing at Greg thinking he would have made more than a couple of games difference. Now, a quarter way through the season, Adam Dunn could have already made 2 or 3 games difference? At least be consistent. The good news is Dunn's production this season isn't all that much better than his production the last calendar year. He might be able to maintain it or at least come pretty close.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 21, 2014 -> 09:19 AM) No, I agree, and I have no problem sharing the title There's no way the Sox are anywhere near where they are right now without Dunn in the lineup. They are at least still alive in the race and there's someone in the lineup who can resemble a threat to take you deep. Considering the crap you give someone when they said AJ would make have made a big difference last year by pointing out his WAR, it is interesting you write there's no way the Sox are anywhere near where they are right now without Dunn in the lineup when he is sporting a 0.3 WAR.

The Sox aren't getting a good prospect for Adam Dunn. As Sheldon says, anyone who thinks so must have taken a marijuana.

QO for Dunn? Good God man. I can assure you that is not going to happen, and it is from no inside source.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 21, 2014 -> 01:35 AM) In his defense, he is walking a bunch Yes. He's either going to strikeout or walk almost every AB.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ May 20, 2014 -> 10:33 PM) "You know, it's awfully hard to sweep a major league team." Debatable if the Royals are a major league team.

Rebuilding is a b****. Just ask KC

Pouring in downtown Chicago. Direct Tv never works in weather like this.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 20, 2014 -> 10:08 PM) Sox 7-5 thru 8................looking like Belly in the 9th. He is up.