Dick Allen

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 08:42 PM) Dayumm. A Tsunami takes place and I'm not part of it. Anyway, only OCFs think more college=better NBA. GTFO. College basketball is pathetic and the coaches try to make it all about them. #COLLEGEBASKETBALLSUCKS!!! According to you the Bulls who are one of the top seeds in the East, play at least 82 meaningless games a year. I don't know what else you need to show the NBA currently sucks.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 03:25 PM) But not going to college at all definitely didn't hurt LeBron or Tracy McGrady or Kobe Bryant, and sticking around 1 year didn't seem to hurt Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, and Dwyane Wade. Meanwhile, Nick Collison and Kirk Hinrich both played 4 years at Kansas, so talent evaluators should have had them pegged perfectly, yet neither has been much more than a bit player throughout their careers. There will always be hits and misses, and some guys are ready to go early, but if a guy is ready to be a good player out of HS, or after his freshman year, he still should be ready to be a really good player after a second college season, or IMO he was a fraud to begin with. (Assuming no injury)

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 03:10 PM) That's definitely a flaw. That said, the counterpoint would be how much better guys like Durant, Beasley, Oden, Melo ect. could get in their second year of college. It does make sense when you think about it. They're facing better competition, they're playing more games, there's no limits on how much you can practice, you can see coaches in the off-season without it being a violation, ect. Some of them are. Some are riding pine, getting limited minutes and once the NBA season starts, not getting much practice time in. Sticking around a couple years or more didn't hurt Hakeem or Jordan or Magic or Bird. I don't think they would have been much better had they turned pro after they were freshman. Obviously this increases the chances of an NBA team not making a mistake, and that is what is all about, but there are a ton of underclassmen who make themselves eligible for the draft that never get drafted. This could ultimately help the college game as well. It will cost some players some money, but if they can play, they will eventually get paid.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 02:58 PM) Well this is incredibly relevant to the discussion then http://deadspin.com/marcus-smart-did-the-r...t-go-1546498463 Yeah, but aren't the one and done guys usually better players to begin with than the 2 year guys? The problem with the study is they can't study the same players doing different things.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 02:40 PM) What's wrong with LLRLR? Breaking up the lefties equally. In the end, it won't matter.

L, R, L, R, L. When a team does face 2 lefty starters in a row, if they kept this together, the second guy would always be Chris Sale. Personally, to me, it doesn't matter if they split them up. Having a couple of LOOGYs to flip hitters makes a lot of sense, but I really think facing 2 or 3 or 4 lefty starters in a row doesn't suddenly give you an advantage unless they aren't very good.

QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 12:34 PM) It is crazy, on the otherhand, people are going to go crazy for his first 3 years production and deal with years 7 and 8 when they deal with it. I'm not sure why Scherzer should care about that though. Tigers have spent like crazy for talent, but Scherzer should take a team friendly deal? $24 million a year for 6 years for a pitcher over 30 isn't exactly team friendly. Just wait and see what they are going to have to pay Cabrera when he is 40 years old and the gout won't let him run to first base.

QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 11:50 AM) I agree with that article's sentiment. Regardless of whether that's a large amount of money, if Tanaka just got what he did, it's probably worth the risk for Scherzer. I disagree with it. For one thing, they are only counting major league regular season pitches, except for Tanaka. Why wouldn't the pitches he threw in college or HS and the minor leagues count? Pitchers are time bombs that will explode. IMO, the guys who have shown they can throw a lot of pitches and not get injured is more of a positive than strike against. All these guys get physicals when they sign. If 20,000 pitches showed a ton of wear and tear, the team would walk away. And when you get older, other parts of your body usually become a little more injury prone, which in itself can cause you to miss time, not to mention setting yourself up with a more serious injury by compensating for the other not so serious one. And that is not even counting what father time naturally does to one's skills. IMO, Scherzer's advanced age is more of a red flag than his total pitches is a go sign.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Mar 24, 2014 -> 06:51 PM) Shaka is going to Marquette. That would really surprise me. Why would he not go to Illinois but go to Marquette? That's just silly. Unless he was just scared.

If the Dodgers or Yankees aren't involved, prices seem to decrease.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 09:34 AM) Because Mike Rizzo is an asshole. I think Rizzo was the White Sox scout who recommended Frank Thomas.

Also remember there are a limited number of teams that will shell out that kind of contract. With Greinke and Kershaw, would the Dodgers go there? Would the Yankees go there? Will the Red Sox? The Rangers? I doubt the Angels. Maybe the Cubs, but if Theo wouldn't go there with Tanaka, I doubt he goes there with a guy who would turn 31 during the season. Obviously, it depends on how this season goes and teams needs, but I liken this to the Abreu situation which got the Sox a guy who if some other teams were involved, would have cost a lot more, I think Scherzer is making a mistake. Even if he isn't, I don't know how you walk away from a guaranteed $144 million.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 24, 2014 -> 02:18 PM) A great question is how much do you think Scherzer would have gotten if he were on the FA market. Obviously a team would have overpaid for him, but to what extent, I have no idea. The thing is, for him to get what he turned down, he is going to have to be lights out again. Seems to me you are risking well over $100 million for maybe $20-30 million if everything went right. He would be the oldest pitcher to get one of those contracts if he gets one after this season. Who knows, maybe he hates it in Detroit.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 24, 2014 -> 02:01 PM) If he's healthy at the end of this season he'll clear that easily and you know it. He's had one great year and 2 really good ones. I don't know why you risk $24 million a year for 6 years at 29 years old for a great year. 6 years $144 million. How much more do you need? The risk far outweighs the reward IMO.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 24, 2014 -> 01:56 PM) Especially when you consider Scherzer just turned down 6/144. Scherzer is an idiot.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Mar 24, 2014 -> 12:26 PM) Yes, I read that too, but it still is not true. Yes, it was 28, which is still a lot of 2 runs or less at USCF. 15 times they scored 3. I wonder where they got 50. Maybe they added them with the road numbers where they scored 2 or fewer 25 times and another 15 times scored 3. 53 times in 2013 they scored 2 or fewer runs, and 83 times they scored 3 or fewer. That is pretty brutal.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 24, 2014 -> 09:31 AM) Maybe that changed then? I thought it was always that way, but maybe they stopped doing it that way. It would be worth asking. It is how it's always been. If you don't purchase playoff tickets, you don't lose your seniority. The only way you lose it is to purchase them and then get a refund for unused tickets instead of a credit to your account.

The reason Mitchell is still around is because he was a first round pick. They spend money on him, they want to see it all the way through. We all know there is a better chance a "Give Adam Dunn a 4 year extension" thread is posted in the middle of May, and the consensus is everyone agrees with the thread starter, than Mitchell becoming a productive major league player.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 24, 2014 -> 10:23 AM) If the Cubs prospects were the Sox prospects, then the Sox would have had 3 straight 90 loss teams and another one possible, and I think the discussion here would be more medieval and angry Why would people be angry? Many here have thought losing for draft picks is the proper strategy? If Baez and Bryant were White Sox prospects, and if the Sox have won the bidding war with the Cubs for Soler, I think most here would more pleased with the prospect of future White Sox seasons than they are right now.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 24, 2014 -> 10:14 AM) And I said, take Abreu out, which you ignored to continue the argument. Yes, but you said that after the fact. You included him him your original White Sox core. I hope the Cubs suck forever. The fact is, if their pieces were White Sox pieces, you would be talking them up more than you are talking up Matt Davidson right now. Some of these guys on both teams are going to not amount to much. Right now, the Cubs have more room for error just because they have more highly thought of prospects in quantity if not quality.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 24, 2014 -> 10:15 AM) Who did, and what were they willing to give up? In order to judge if someone would have given up something better, you have to know that. Otherwise it is just an exercise at making stuff for arguments sake. Yet your argument that no one did and nothing else could have been offered is based on what? The early word was everone on the White Sox roster except Sale, Quintana and Abreu were available, and Reed was right up there with them, as practically unavailable, so apparently there were inquiries.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 24, 2014 -> 10:09 AM) I'm not the one saying they could have gotten something better What I am saying is ultimately, if Davidson busts or just is below average, a different deal may have been better, which makes the statement that even if he is below average, the deal was good not really true even if Reed is just another guy.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 24, 2014 -> 10:07 AM) I don't think anyone has expectations for a big year this year. There are a lot of young players and new players in this line up. I think most of us, me included, are expecting significantly more runs. The problem is, when you really look at it, as bad as it was last year, it really isn't a given. Hopefully, a couple guys get hot and it spreads, like the 1977 Hitmen.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 24, 2014 -> 10:06 AM) Who would have given something better? Who was the prospect? You don't think anyone wanted Addison Reed ?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 24, 2014 -> 10:00 AM) Your core isn't your prospects. Why is that so difficult? Your prospects are definitely part of your core. If you don't think Baez and Bryant aren't part of the Cubs core, but think Abreu is part of the White Sox core, like you did post, you aren't being consistent.