Dick Allen

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 01:39 PM) #1) If those guys were 4/$40, they wouldn't be on the free agent market. They MAY take that over 3 years. #2) $40 over 3 years is just under $14 mill a year. Guess what Dunn's annual average salary was? #3) Since when in is $40 million *cheap*? Well you sure have changed. When you wanted Salty for $44 million, you said that wasn't a lot of money in today's game.

I think winning is part of player development. Not necessarily the division, but losing 90 games shows your players aren't developing very well.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 09:22 AM) Semien looked OK last year, and Beckham was great when he came up, only to fall by the wayside shortly thereafter. Viciedo also had a decent cup of coffee originally too. How much of this has been on the major league staff failing to make adjustments throughout the course of the season? In the last 5 years they've either been terrible or they've lost to the absolute one team they could not lose to (Twins and Tigers). Viciedo and Beckham were both guys that were in the majors the year after they joined the organization, so I wouldn't say the White Sox had much to do with their development. Maybe they weren't poisoned. In fact, very little previous failure probably hurt them. Semien hit some homers in some September games but his walk and strikeout and on base rate were beyond horrible. Maybe the new hitting coach with a total organizational approach will help. It can't be much worse.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 01:02 AM) Uh no they dont. I cant recall a single paper where a teacher went "Well Badger, you had the best ideas, best argument, but you misspelled a word so I gave you an F." And even better, once you get to a certain level, someone proof reads all your s***. Unless now we are saying the editor is more important than the author??? But hey, if you want to show off a bunch of spelling bee awards, thats your call. Like I said, Ive never cared about spelling, never will. Say Im bad at it, I dont care lol. I agree. The smartest person I have ever met in my life is one of the worst spellers you could imagine. Some spellings are beyond ridiculous but he spells as it sounds, and he has always used the same line as you, spelling correctly is for his secretaries. Spelling is about memorization,not intelligence.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 08:26 AM) I agree to some extent. Draft position is less important when you have good scouting. Boston has drafted real well despite having success on the field----and money to spend. Hopefully Hahn has people he can rely on not so much for the 3rd pick but for later rounds. It's not just scouts. It's the developmental people. The Sox seem to be able to get pitchers, at least relievers, to the major leagues fairly easily. Hitters always seem to struggle. When was the last time a White Sox position prospect came up and actually looked like he had a clue at the plate? One thing that always seems a given is a ridiculously high strikeout rate with a ridiculously low walk rate and other numbers that seem to be, at best, ordinary. It makes me wonder, are they having problems identifying guys who can be successful offensively, or is their developmental team just lacking. Every team has it's busts, but does Courtney Hawkins hit like a pitcher with power in A+ ball if he is with the Cardinals?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 3, 2014 -> 02:05 PM) Or he can just start nickpicking at one small part out of an entire body of discussion when he knows that he is wrong... ? Where am I wrong?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 3, 2014 -> 01:50 PM) I believe Wites speaking in terms of value. You can pay Jimenez 12-15 mil for 4 years and gamble each and every year for which Jimenez you'll get. Or you can take Paulino for 1.75 mil over one year with a team friendly option. If Paulino stays healthy and Jimenez has one of his bad years then Paulino outperforms Jimenez. Obviously there is ifs but it's far from inconceivable. He can move the goalposts like he usually does when he realizes he is wrong, but the question was chances Paulino outperforms Jimenez this year and he said 50/50. I just point out that cannot be based on any logic. Performance has nothing to do with money. If they were the same price, and you had to choose one, would you even consider Paulino? From what he wrote, it's a coin flip.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 3, 2014 -> 01:38 PM) His career ERA as a starter is 4.45, whereas it's above 9 as a reliever. He had an ERA of 4.26 as a starter in 2011 and he was absolutely filthy in 7 starts in 2012 with an ERA of 1.67. There is plenty of logic to figure that he will do well. Regardless of any of this, Paulino is the far, far better investment. Jimenez is younger, healthier, and has a better track record. Other than that, you argument basing it 50/50 on 37 innings 2 years ago before major surgery, makes perfect sense.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 3, 2014 -> 01:26 PM) Link IMO, there is nothing wrong with a guy wanting to play. That said, I do think Thibs has a decent reason to sit him in crunch time. I like Boozer more than most, but I'm pretty sure I could score at will against him.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 3, 2014 -> 01:22 PM) No, I actually happen to like Jimenez, especially his stuff, but he's been an incredibly inconsistent pitcher over his career and he's just as likely (if not moreso) to put up an ERA over 5 as he is to put one up under 3.50. They both have a lot of warts. But Paulino who has a career ERA right at about 5.00, should have a decent chance to outperform him even though he missed last season and only pitched 37 innings in 2012. Again, you are not basing this on any logic. If it really was 50/50, either Paulino would have received A LOT more money than the White Sox gave him, or Jimenez would have to settle for A LOT less than he is going to be paid.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 3, 2014 -> 01:05 PM) I don't necessarily agree just because Paulino has been incredibly productive as a starter before. However, if you were to ask who is more likely to stay healthy, I'd give Jimenez about a 95% chance of doing that. He is coming off surgery. He has pitched 37 innings since Ozzie Guillen was managing the White Sox. Jimenez has been far more productive in the past as a starter. Because you are not a fan of Jimenez, you discount that and ignore all of Paulino's warts. It might work out the way you claim, but your conclusion is only based on your personal bias. Any reasonable person would conclude that the odds are far longer than 50/50 Paulino outperforms Jimenez. 5 of the past 6 seasons, Jimenez has put up at least a 3.2 WAR. Paulino has had one season where he had more than half of that.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 3, 2014 -> 10:13 AM) I wish Ervin Santana and Jimenez would just sign already so this moot and useless conversation ends. Chances Paulino outperforms Ubaldo Jimenez this year?? Paulino may be good he may be awful. He pitched 37 innings in 2012 and 0 in 2013, and before that he was pretty awful. For anyone to suggest he has a decent chance to outperform Jimenez in 2014, is not basing it on anything you really should base anything upon. Just basing it on because they say so.

I don't understand how anyone can say PSH wasn't a highly recognized actor/director. Maybe on your personal level it was true, but he was a highly decorated , very famous. His death was the lead story on network news.

He only stayed in rehab 10 days according to TMZ.

LOL. The Cubs sent a lackey on the radio today to float the possibility of the rooftop owners making them leave Wrigley.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 31, 2014 -> 01:29 PM) 28-24 Broncos. Seattle scores a late touchdown, attempts an onside kick with 4 minutes left, Denver recovers, and The Sheriff kills the clock. Jeff George is back?

Am I the only one that doesn't particularly care for these outdoor games? I haven't been to a game, but I would imagine the sightlines aren't as good as indoors. And I think camera angles are better indoors. It was fun the first time, but IMO the NHL is overdoing it.

Dunn will probably wind up hitting around .200 with around a .750 OPS. Not worth the money but neither is sitting on his couch eating Cheetos or playing for another team. He had a 3 month stretch where he was pretty good. If he had 5 months like this, the people wanting to dump him would probably want to bring him back. June .274/.402/.589 July .277/.388/.470 August .267/.355/.438 He is worth keeping around because there is a chance he can be helpful and there is a chance someone may give you something for him, if only slight salary relief if the White Sox are not contending. Releasing Dunn is no chance.

I actually get a kick out of Rosenbloom, but to put the blame on Dunn that his team never made the playoffs is crazy.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jan 30, 2014 -> 12:55 PM) I thought the winter two years ago was one of the worst then it got warm in March and lasted all summer. It seemed to me that winter was either dry and cold or mild temps with a lot of snow. I only really remember the blizzard of 78, a heavy snowfall in April of 82, and frigid 1983 blast. The late 70's bad winter may explain why I hated my childhood and why my parents were always in a bad mood. I thought the winter 2 years ago was the easiest of my lifetime. It seemed for every day it was cold, it would be followed up by 4 or 5 at least 40 degrees, and it hardly snowed at all. Maybe that was different if you are in the snowbelt. I live in the city and as bad as I have it, living in Northern Indiana seems like you get the same temperatures but a lot more snow.

Keenyn Walker and Michael Jordan had pretty similar stats in Birmingham.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jan 30, 2014 -> 11:37 AM) This may be the single stupidest thing said by any pundit, ever. Maybe he saw him on a bad day, lol. Sale's slider is quickly headed to GOAT territory, and dominates righties as well as lefties. http://wapc.mlb.com/play?content_id=29663395 Glad he also dislikes the Dane, whereas Parks loves him. Law's still playing catchup with his ego. There has been speculation that many, if not most of the players Law "evaluates", he has not seen play. So you really are getting someone else's analysis that he will put his name on. I will give him credit for not dumping the bad calls on someone else, but it sure does take a lot for him to admit an obvious mistake.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 30, 2014 -> 11:06 AM) The reason a lot of people didn't like Sale that high, Law included, is because they thought he was a major injury risk and they were afraid he would have platoon issues like almost every pitcher with his type of release has. No one doubted the stuff, lots doubted the risk level. It turned out as well as it possibly could have for us, but that doesn't mean it's unreasonable to have not wanted to take that risk back then. No. Possible injury did not matter to Law. It appears from his comments below, the stuff is doubted. I don’t love the arm action, but this idea that arm action guarantees injury has to die. It’s all probability, and there have been pitchers with subpar mechanics who’ve pitched in the majors for several years before getting hurt, as well as plenty of pitchers with "clean" arm actions who got hurt anyway. Back to Sale, I’m more concerned that he’s a sidearming lefty without much of a breaking ball. If you knew nothing about him but that one sentence, what would you say he was in the big leagues? In that same analysis, he rated Sale's slider as a '40' on his MLB Draft Grading Scale, with a projected future rating of '45'. A 40 on that scale translates to "Well below-average ability". A 45 is still below average and translates to "11th/12th men on a pitching staff". And here is a little snippet of Law's chat in Dec 2011 when Sale was going to be a starter AFTER a year and a half in the big leagues: Do you like Chris Sale's move to the rotation and where do you see him as a future starter? Klaw (1:35 PM) No, I don't.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 30, 2014 -> 10:14 AM) Who were the other members? LHP Wayne Edwards was one, I think. Radinsky didn't play with them, did he? I don't think Stick Figure was the band he had when he was on the White Sox. The band he was in with Edwards had some guy who Black Jack played with at Stanford and I think played in the Cardinals minor league system for a while.

If Jared Mitchell becomes useful on the major league level, that would be one of the greatest comebacks from totally sucking of all time. If he wasn't a first round pick, he would probably be sitting next to Jake from State Farm right now.