Dick Allen

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 18, 2013 -> 10:44 AM) That wasn't my point at all. The only point there was that we can develop someone (which sadly some--maybe not you--tend to not believe). The trade with SEA was great, we'd all do it 100x over. The Sox traded Morse in 2004. He didn't become worth anything until 2010 when he was 28 years old. If the Sox would have kept him, most would have given up on him long before that, considering this board has problems with 23 years olds who hit 25 homers.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 18, 2013 -> 09:34 AM) Mike Morse. Former White Sox prospect, who was busy here developing at the same time the organization was taking Brian Anderson and, as some here would insist, were ruining him. Because they're so bad at developing people. Just disregard the guy the Sox got for him helped them win a WS. Can't posters find something legitimate to complain about?

One thing Trestman has to work on is his 'doo. That's just brutal.

CTL just said if Arians was hired, Whisenhunt would have bee the OC and Russ Grimm the line coach.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 12:20 PM) But it would save them like $7 million right? Try to find someone as good as Peppers for $7 million. The only people who win if the Bears cut Peppers are the McCaskeys.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 12:02 PM) Wootton and Paea are awful fits for the 5T. Peppers is the Bears best defensive player. They may save money, but how do they replace that production? I don't think people understand if the Bears cut Peppers, it still would be a $10 million cap hit. They might as well keep him around.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 10:48 AM) If there was really a million dollar raised for this girl, this story just got even bigger I think it was for cancer research, not any one individual.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 10:37 AM) If RM did not like the job fine, but that is not the case it is because he is loyal to Lovie only reason he is gone. Going from D-Cor to linebacker coach to be Kiffin's lap boy makes no sense. If he is happy fine by me, If he was not happy glad he is gone! It makes perfect sense. He is familiar with Kiffin just like he was close with Lovie. He probably doesn't know Trestman, and would be a lame duck with one year left on his deal. He can go work with someone he knows and if a DC opens up next year, like if Lovie gets a HC job, maybe he jumps at it or he stays with someone he's comfortable with. Considering Kiffin's age, maybe he takes his job in a year or 2. He's not working his way up the ranks.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 10:30 AM) Not a smart decision by RM................Lovie is gone he needs to get over it! Why is it not a smart decision? He probably doesn't need the money. Why work someplace you don't want to work if you don't have to? Seems to me, if he wouldn't be happy, or would be happier elsewhere, its a very smart decision.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 11:47 PM) http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/jason-la...nator-according I heard one of the biggest knocks on Singletary, is surprisingly his football work ethic. Apparently he has a lot of religious responsibilities and doesn't put the time an NFL coach needs to put in.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 08:00 PM) Was there even a game ball???? His "girlfriend" has a pair.

This is so awesome it is happening at ND. Who gets the game ball Kelly gave to his "girlfriend".

I wonder if the ND officials realize how ridiculous they appear.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 07:52 PM) Who was he on the phone with for 8 hours a night? His boyfriend

If he is not in on it, would ND really want it known that someone that dumb could keep himself eligible?

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 09:17 AM) That's the way it should be when a team hires a coach. No one knows if he will be good or bad. Right away people either think this is the worst move ever or He will win us a Super Bowl. Much like draft picks you have to wait 2-3 years to really know. Unless you are a University of Illinois football fan.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 08:49 AM) Take a second and think about how limited the number of teams he fits with are. Konerko is under contract for 1 year, so the team trading for him needs to be ready to compete this year. Konerko is well paid, >$10 million, so the team needs to have money to spend. The team needs to have a hole at 1b, and it helps if the team also can move Konerko to DH for part of the time, as that helps keep him healthy. How many teams are left that this fits? Now throw in the fact that Konerko's a 10/5 player and thus has a full No Trade Clause if he wants to exercise it. Getting a significant offer for a guy usually means that you have multiple teams in the running for him who will drive the price up. I have trouble thinking of any teams that fit all of those. He's making $6.5 million this year, with $1 million a year deferred for the next 7 years. You are right, there probably are only a couple of teams that would be a fit for Konerko with his veto rights, teams ability to take on money and his position. Getting anything close to what he is worth to the White Sox is very slim.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 15, 2013 -> 10:19 PM) Did you see the crazy contract. Only 7 mil for each year of the contract but 14 mil deferred to 2018-2025. Heck of a lot better than the pension I'm going to get once the state government gets through shredding mine. Seems this was a deal to save face for Boras, who not so coincidentally has a lot of clients with the Nationals.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 15, 2013 -> 08:09 PM) Just to reinforce what someone else said, Reinsdorf bought rings for like everyone in the Sox organization. A lady who I worked with used to work there part time (shes full time now) and they even gave her a ring. She brought it in and I got to wear it, so good enough for me. Even my dope of a ticket rep got a ring. There were a couple of levels of quality. At first I thought the dope got a $20k ring.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 07:01 AM) Jerry Rice compares Trestman to Bill Walsh. It was a very nice hire for the Bears. I got to meet Trestman when he was with the 49ers, he seem like a great guy Look for the Bears to sign a guy like Mike Wallace, Trestman loves having 2 star WR's That's pretty surprising since Rice was really happy when Trestman was let go by the 49ers. He hated the 2 yard routes he was running. http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/...7/1c1rice_.html The thing that concerns me is he's from the Jimmy Johnson tree, Wanne, Norv Turner, both prety much busts as Head Coaches. He's also kind of calm like Lovie. If the Bears don't win right away, the fans are going after him.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jan 15, 2013 -> 06:10 PM) My point was more along the lines of not being afraid to act. Everyone makes mistakes. Mistakes are necessary if you want to learn anything. A GM will make mistakes but a good one will learn from those. As long as a GM is acting on good information and is doing the right things at the right times, i.e. going for it when the contention window is there, building toward a new contention window when the current one seems to have closed, etc. then as long as he's primarily signing *proven* talent and trading *unproven* prospects with speculative value which (see: Molina, Nestor) can crash abruptly, then more often than not he's going to be on the right end of things. I see Hahn as being afraid to make a move. Kenny's aggression was a wonderful quality and I miss it. While others may not want to immediately hold Rick Hahn up to KW standards, I do. As a fan I expect an excellent General Manager running things. As far as Lohse you have a point, although I am not sure he ever would have been a Hahn/Sox under anyone target, and I really doubt we're looking to add salary. However, that Floyd trade which never happened would have given us salary room, and in theory, getting something of value for Floyd and then turning around and recommitting those funds to another area makes the organization's future appear brighter since talent would have been added overall, talent also with expiration dates beyond 2013 like Floyd. But going with Lohse as an example, signing Lohse to a 3 year deal, trading Floyd for parts/prospects, and then dealing off Lohse after 1-2 seasons and dumping salary probably is a lot less riskier than losing Floyd for nothing when just about everyone needs starting pitching. I will applaud Hahn if and when he does something right. He has no leash with me since he's failed already. At least 2 of Crain/Thornton/Floyd should have been gone with at least one good young piece coming back who is ready to compete for a job in ST 2013. He's done jack. I am sure your approval is Hahn's number one goal.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jan 15, 2013 -> 12:47 PM) That will be a fun session to be at. Will Carlton Fisk be driving in?

What I don't understand is many used to bank on the Sox making some sort of move right before Soxfest which always occurs at the end of January. Now, for some reason, people are convinced the team's roster is set a week and a half before Soxfest even begins and more importantly, 2 1/2 months before the season starts. I guess anything to be able to complain.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jan 15, 2013 -> 11:34 AM) And this is simply incorrect. Look at all the good players we have. Who acquired them? Kenny Williams, usually by being aggressive. Now look at who else is out there that we once had down on the farm but who is now performing elsewhere.... it's Gio who he traded for several years of 1B/OF candidate Swisher, who was very talented and just got paid, and then there's injured and perennially overrated Dan Hudson who was sent out for Jackson, who was supposed to help us win during the 2010-11 massive payroll spike. Who else is out there ater that? Morse? Carter possibly if he can keep it up. Who else? One of the biggest knocks on KW is the farm system. This was NOT Kenny. Kenny, under Reinsdorf, wasn't going to abuse the system. You can blame Kenny for the personnel involved, especially the ones who picked players like Whisler, Broadway, McCulloch, etc. but that's about it. What have we seen from Hahn thaty says he's any better at evaluating talent than Kenny Williams? Nothing. If anything, I think most of the Sox personnel problems, whether it was Ozzie, Dave Wilder, the skimming scouts, etc. came from lack of proper oversight/too long of a leash being given out. This extends from the top down and in those respects no one should expect things to change much under Hahn. Think about what Kenny did after 2006 for example, after we finished 3rd in the division after running out one of, if not *the* most talented all-around team in baseball that year. In a 2 year span Kenny added multi-year pieces in Floyd, Danks, Quentin, Ramirez, and the thought was that Swisher was one too. We lost Chris Carter and Gio, big whoopie. Fans b**** about the '07 pen and laugh at the '08 Griffey deadline deal, but Kenny got a contributor in Griffey for the short bit he played, and that '07 pen was stacked with big arms who all could have gone the way Jones did last year, but didn't, because baseball is baseball and a very difficult game to predict. But after '06 Kenny had a lot less to work with than Hahn does now, and he extended out a new window by being aggressive and making the big move. Hahn has done jack. Hahn deserves no credit. Kenny set him up to do work and he's done nothing but play Halo on XBox for all anyone can tell. Well KW took over a 95 win team in 2000 and made them, (if you want to give the GM all the credit and all the blame) 83 game winners. Hahn has inherited an 85 win team. I know it is against all baseball rules to make trades and sign people after January 14th, the time that rosters must be set. Just remember your boy KW at this time last year lost Buerhle, traded Quentin and Santos for minor leaguers that didn't contribute in 2012. Other than that, less than Hahn has done this year. Before you continue to make a fool of yourself, why don't you wait until they start playing games that count to see where the team is at? If he does nothing or does something that doesn't work and the team isn't very good......fire away.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 15, 2013 -> 11:21 AM) People who rag on the fans for their support are really advocating franchise relocation. And people who search for crap to rag about need to find a new hobby.