Dick Allen

The Sox for a team whose attendance is what it is, do pretty well on Mondays when the tickets are half priced. Pricing is a problem. Last offseason was a problem because it took the season ticket base down. For all those who don't think pricing is a problem, how would attendance be if tickets cost $1 each and parking was free? The argument the fans don't like the team is silly, that they don't like JR, that's silly or the Bulls would have empty seats. Its that tickets cost a lot of money. Parking costs a lot of money. Concessions and souveniers cost a lot of money, on top of that you pay a ticketmaster fee which is one of the highest ticketmaster fees in baseball. I would think every team that goes through ticktmaster has the same fees charged, but apparently not. Dynamic pricing probably works gloriously when you have a base buying up a lot of tickets, but it works terribly if you are trying to build up your base. People don't want to jump through hoops to find a Dynamic deal or a Sox save of the week or search the internet for discount codes. Dump the system. I think it cost the Sox money in 2012.

QUOTE (MuckFinnesota @ Oct 13, 2012 -> 10:42 PM) Are any of you concerned that revenue will tumble with the red line being worked on next summer? It's definitely going to complicate things for me to get down to the ballpark from the loop. Minimal effect. Red line will still run but switch to green line tracks south of Roosevelt. The green line stip at 35th was where the red line used to stop before the orange line came to be. Really no big deal and if the green line tracks are slow zone free form Roosevelt to 35th, it may even be quicker even with the extra 2 block walk.

A Rod is owed $114 million plus $6 million each for homer 660, 714, 755, 762 and 763.

If blowing a 3 game lead is the biggest collapse in team history, Sox fans are spoiled and really have nothing to complain about.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Oct 9, 2012 -> 02:29 AM) McCann at 3/36? Yes, McCann at 3/$36M. Though he's worth more, he's broken down multiple times in recent seasons and for a catcher that's big trouble. His current deal has him at a team option for that same $12M. He's seven years younger, is a better offensive player and would be a huge defensive upgrade over AJ. Rays are gonna take on salary to get rid of Zobrist? The Rays are not destitute any longer. They have new TV deal money coming to them. The Rays have no hitting. As nice a player as Zobrist is he's wasted in that lineup. He's a glorified role player. The Rays would be acquiring one of the top OFs in MLB last season that would upgrade their lineup in a dynamic way hitting in front of Longoria. They would also obtain a young, cost controlled reliever that picked up 29 saves as a rookie. Those guys are not easy to find. Both impact players for Ben Zobrist. Rangers are going to move Andrus... for RAMIREZ?! Profar projects to be a better SS for Texas and The Rangers are very much rumored to be moving Andrus this offseason. There are other reasons why an Andrus deal could make sense this off-season. First, there are the rules laid out by the new MLB collective bargaining agreement that make it likely the Rangers would get much more for Andrus in 2013 than 2014 -- teams who trade for a player in the final year of his contract are no longer entitled to collect draft compensation if he leaves via free agency. Ramirez is a more impactful offensive player with comparable defensive skills. Alexei averages a .276 / 17HR / 77RBI / .725 OPS slash over 162 for his career Andrus averages a .275 / 4HR / 53RBI / .695 OPS slash over 162 for his career Alexei + Gavin Floyd for a defense first SS that steals a decent amount of bases. If this is all so unrealistic you haven't read this entire thread. McCann also thinks he needs shoulder surgery.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Oct 9, 2012 -> 02:29 AM) McCann at 3/36? Yes, McCann at 3/$36M. Though he's worth more, he's broken down multiple times in recent seasons and for a catcher that's big trouble. His current deal has him at a team option for that same $12M. He's seven years younger, is a better offensive player and would be a huge defensive upgrade over AJ. Rays are gonna take on salary to get rid of Zobrist? The Rays are not destitute any longer. They have new TV deal money coming to them. The Rays have no hitting. As nice a player as Zobrist is he's wasted in that lineup. He's a glorified role player. The Rays would be acquiring one of the top OFs in MLB last season that would upgrade their lineup in a dynamic way hitting in front of Longoria. They would also obtain a young, cost controlled reliever that picked up 29 saves as a rookie. Those guys are not easy to find. Both impact players for Ben Zobrist. Rangers are going to move Andrus... for RAMIREZ?! Profar projects to be a better SS for Texas and The Rangers are very much rumored to be moving Andrus this offseason. There are other reasons why an Andrus deal could make sense this off-season. First, there are the rules laid out by the new MLB collective bargaining agreement that make it likely the Rangers would get much more for Andrus in 2013 than 2014 -- teams who trade for a player in the final year of his contract are no longer entitled to collect draft compensation if he leaves via free agency. Ramirez is a more impactful offensive player with comparable defensive skills. Alexei averages a .276 / 17HR / 77RBI / .725 OPS slash over 162 for his career Andrus averages a .275 / 4HR / 53RBI / .695 OPS slash over 162 for his career Alexei + Gavin Floyd for a defense first SS that steals a decent amount of bases. If this is all so unrealistic you haven't read this entire thread. McCann also thinks he needs shoulder surgery.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 06:52 AM) It amazes me how much people will cherry pick stats to support "their guy" over "not their guy". Viciedo strikes out 118 times, walks 78 fewer times than Dunn, with a 39 point lower OBP and a 43 point lower SLG, and people want to ship Dunn out the first chance they get but will scream bloody murder if the Sox try to get good talent in return for Viciedo. And even with all those strikeouts Viciedo had, he still made enough contact to be second on the team in GIDP. If you're going to have an irrational hatred of strikeouts, then at least hate them for everybody and not just one guy. Viciedo is 23 and just completed his first full season in the major leagues. There is reason to think he will improve. Dunn appears to be on the downward side of his career and makes considerably more money which could be spent elsewhere if he were movable. It would shock me if all these things were considered and the Sox had a deal to make and another team had to choose between Viciedo and Dunn and take their contracts, if one other team would take Dunn. Last year he sits out at the end so he doesn't qualify for the worst average of all time, this year he sits so he won't set the strikeout mark. At least he hit so homers, but he has been nowhere near worth what the Sox have paid him.

QUOTE (Cali @ Oct 7, 2012 -> 02:10 PM) f*** the MLB and Choke-land. I don't know who to blame more. "Home field advantage" doesn't just mean "more home games" starting a series at home is a HUGE advantage for any team. f***, the Tigers might sweep and at that point would have really had home field advantage. 2 games in Detroit, 1 game in Oakland. not to mention the lower seat also would get an extra gate.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 01:25 PM) At least you read my post. Thank you. PTATC, I realize some people who have money are not buffoons. My brother is a rich tax lawyer and he is not a dick. But a lot of people like Loria are out of control, rich mama's boys. Joe Girardi told him to shut up and he wanted him fired after the game. He waited til after the season. I read that article and my god. If they want to fire Ozzie for those reasons. That is so laughable. If you reversed Miami's record this year, all that stuff that was printed would be considered AWESOME. They'd all be Ozzie being Ozzie. Reverse the record and Ozzie is satan. that is the first article I've ever read that indicated the manager was hexing the team and part of some sort of satanic religion. Geez. That would be criminal if the Marlins fire Cora just to pray Ozzie quits. But that is truly possible. But that article. Ozzie unprofessional? What is this, the world Chess association? This is baseball, baby. Tobacco chewing, cussing, BASEBALL! That article made me laugh. My god. Yes, those traits the Marlins brass are now calling "unprofessional" are the same traits they apparently admired when they hired him. Its pretty comical that appears the reason to can him, and I'm no Ozzie fan.

People write about Hawk's ego, but isn't if all this stuff is true, the problem Stone's ego?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 09:21 AM) A buddy of mine actually had a very good idea for how to get rid of Ozzie, without firing him. Fire Joey Cora and his staff members. Actually, that seems to be what may happen. The Marlins think Ozzie runs an unprofessional clubhouse talking about his money, having his adult sons roam free and always swearing. How did they not know this when they hired him? Ozzie did say he would quit if they did anything to his staff and Joey's status may test whether Ozzie really is a man of his word. http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sports/b...some-wit/nSTg4/

Better than 50/50 odds Dan Johnson doesn't hit 3 homers in the major leagues in 2013.

The Marlins think so highly of Ozzie Guillen's managerial ability, they are willing to pay him for 3 years to do nothing.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 07:20 AM) The cta will have ahuttle busses as well as having the red line run on the green line tracks Actually before 91 or 92, the green line stop at 35th was actually the red line stop. They switched it up when the orange line came about.

If you're going to take Dan Johnson's performance at the end as the barometer for how he would have performed most of the season, why don't we check out Viciedo's series vs. Cleveland. He's probably in line for the MVP next year.

Dunn led the league in walks and hit 41 homers. How bad do the rest of your ABs have to be to have an .800 OPS? He was a .139 hitter in the 498 ABs he didn't hit a homer.

If it is Hawk vs. Stone and one has to go, Stone is gone. I thought with the rumors, Steve's comment last night was a farewell, but now I'm thinking he wouldn't mind staying but the dynamics of the broadcast he feels must change. I think he wants it to be more of a conversation and the one thing I heard that stood out, he said if he has a different opinion Hawk sometimes takes it as a challenge to his baseball acumen rather than two different perspectives. In other words, I really don't think he hates Hawk like a ton of people would love him to say, I think he just wants to be a bigger part of the broadcast. I don't think Hawk's ego is as big as a lot of people think. He just has his opinions and like a lot of us on this board with our own opinions, thinks those opinions are pretty solid, and the slightest hint someone may not agree, makes him very defensive.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 09:30 PM) Take the Royals and Tigers out of the equation and this team had a pretty great record. 73-53

Tribune is saying he is expected to receive interest from multiple media outlets,but would need permission to bolt. He gone.

If Dunn would have broken the strikeout record, would JR have presented him with another ring?

It looks like Boozer removed the shoe polish he had on top his head last season.

QUOTE (Real @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 03:48 PM) apparently you're either missing my point, or can't read. I was singling out in-town fans who have the best opportunity to easily get to games. People who live 300+ miles away have to spend a substantial amount more on gas or train tickets herp derp derp Since you want to call out others and use an excuse for yourself, why don't you buy a split season package and donate the tickets to a Boys and Girls Club or something like that?

The Sox had lower attendance due to expectations and Dynamic Pricing. They lost a good portion of their season ticket base last offseason, which is the biggest cause of attendance drop. People played wait and see. That is very typical. They then try to buy tickets and they are ridiculously priced because they weren't purchased in February. Forget the dynamic deal discount, forget the Sox save of the week, people don't want to go through hoops to buy your product. Set a price and keep it there. Ironically, Ozzie mailing it in last year probably hurt the Sox attendance this year.

Ozzie doesn't attract fans. Miami has a new park. Its still a sea of blue. The proof is in the pudding. Teams get worse when he manages, and most people are sick of his act.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 07:45 AM) Ozzie was one of the biggest factors in the "irrelevant" White Sox. If he is such an important part of getting people to the ball park, why did attendance fall the last five years he was here? With Ozzie here we lost close to a million fans a season, from the 2005 number. Kind of hard to argue with this fact.