Dick Allen

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 01:42 PM) You mean he is trying to win basketball games. Everyone in the world is a hypocrite at some point, including me. I dont hold people to ridiculous standards. I dont believe Iowa could restrict the release of the LOI, if they could have and didnt, they are stupid. But why should Wisconsin be punished from Iowa's stupidity? Just because my opponent is a moron doesnt mean I have to be one. Doesn't make them stupid. Some 18 and 19 year old kids make mistakes or change their minds. And with non compete clauses, there are a huge portion of those that are not enforceable. In Uthoff's instance, it shouldn't be about business when its concerning an 19 year old's life. If the kid wants to leave, let him go where he wants, unless of course, you're so paranoid he'll come back and haunt you on the court. Ryan should have been a man, not the child you describe Uthoff as being.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 01:19 PM) I give up, I really dont know what your deal is. As you said, every other player on your list paid their own way. Uthoff has to pay for 1 year. I dont see why Bo Ryan had to let Uthoff go without any restrictions. Who cares what happened with Ben Brust, I certainly dont. That was a letter of intent. If in the future a player wants to transfer from Iowa, can they now not restrict them because they took Uthoff? According to your rationale, yes. According to mine, no. Unless Iowa actually states that they will never restrict, what in the world does it matter what Wisconsin, OSU or any other school does? What does it matter that Wisconsin took Ben Brust after he was allowed to go there. You seem to want these coaches to have to follow your made up rules instead of the actual rules. Bo Ryan followed the rules. I dont think you are going to convince anyone but the most delusional Iowa fans that it is a good idea to just let players transfer in conference without any repercussion. Why cant NCAA players just pick whatever NBA team they want, why do they have to go to the team that drafts them? Its not fair to the player, but there are rules. And in this case there were rules that the player cant get a scholarship from ANY school unless they are released from their scholarship. Uthoff could have chosen any school but 11, that seems pretty reasonable considering there are at least 100 NCAA basketball programs. This is a really hard one to argue, because I just cant understand your angle at all here. Are you really suggesting all players should be able to transfer to any school at any time? Because otherwise its always "unfair". Just because someone followed the rules doesn't mean they weren't being petty or just being ridiculous. If a player wants to leave your program and is willing to sit out a season to do so, they should be able to go wherever they want. Making Uthoff's parents pay for a year of college may be no big deal, but what if he was from a family that couldn't afford it? Is that fair? The guy didn't want to play for Wisconsin anymore, and from what you posted, Wisconsin really didn't want him, why restrict? I wouldn't be so opposed to his actions if he hadn't recruited someone another Big Ten school already signed to a National Letter of Intent and then appealed to the Big Ten when they said he couldn't transfer to his school and was denied again. He is a hypocrite.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 12:40 PM) Are you still fighting this? Why did the Big 10 have the rule? I dont know, you should ask the Big 10 why. Why did Bo Ryan put restrictions of Marquette, ACC and Iowa State? This was the second time any player has EVER transferred from Wisconsin under Bo Ryan. The first came to Bo Ryan personally and asked to be released. Bo Ryan released him completely without any restrictions. The second was Uthoff, who put in for a transfer while Bo Ryan was on vacation. Bo Ryan called other coaches and asked them what he should do. They advised Bo Ryan that the normal procedure was to block transfer to any school you would be playing in the next 4 years. Thus Bo Ryan blocked 1) Marquette who is an instate rival and they play every year 2) ACC who they play via ACC-Big10 challenge and 3) Iowa State as there were rumors of tampering. As for the 4 year guarantee, Bo Ryan has always guaranteed 4 years and Wisconsin has kept players on scholarship who were complete jokes because of that promise. No one is still fighting this battle besides for people who are completely biased. Bo Ryan is one of the good guys in college basketball, even players who dont commit to Wisconsin usually have very high respect for him because he treats players very well. Perhaps you should watch a handshake line where he talks with basically every opposing player and tells them how they did a good job. If this was Bielema I would approach this way differently, but Bo Ryan deserves the benefit of the doubt here. Hes been a head coach for almost 30 years and 1 player in his entire history has complained? To me that suggests it was the player, not the coach. Uthoff was troubled since the beginning, he was at the scorers table to check in and then decided he wanted to red shirt. Hes been confused from the start. Good luck to him, its his decision to turn down a Wisconsin education for an Iowa education. I dont see why Bo Ryan needed to care about Uthoff after Uthoff decided to transfer while Bo Ryan was on vacation. Respect is earned through action, Uthoff did nothing to earn the respect of anyone. Maybe its just me, but creating a story in the press before Bo Ryan could even get back, isnt the way an adult handles something. ----------------------------- Now to the coaching change part. Coaches are governed by contract. The reason they can leave is that they negotiate buy out clauses. The school could theoretically put a non-compete in and restrict the coach from going to another competitor for a few years. The reason they dont is because most coaches would refuse to accept that. You cant compare a negotiated agreement to rules set by the NCAA. And most student athletes, until this year get one year grants that are renewed. If Uthoff wanted to transfer, after fulfilling the one year, and you make a great case for him wanting to transfer, why block where he will go? He blocked Iowa State because he thought the kid wouldn't mind going there. If Uthoff is the mental midget you make him out to be, Wisconsin and Bo Ryan should welcome him on the opposition. If they are so afraid of playing against him, he must not be the piece of crap you make him out to be. And as for your point about Chambliss paying his way to play for Wisconsin, that was the old rule in the Big Ten, its been changed. If that rule were still in place, fine, but its not. Brad Sellers went from Wisconsin to Ohio State, Luke Recker played for Iowa after starting out in Indiana. Neither was on scholarship after the transfer. Don't take conference recruits if you are opposed to the people you have spent time with transferring in conference.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 10:10 PM) lol Whatever. Bo Ryan has had 2 players transfer whiles hes been at Wisconsin, 1 Freddie Owens, without any restrictions, the other Uthoff, restricted to the Big 10. If you want to make Bo Ryan out to be a bad guy because he put Big 10 transfer restrictions on Uthoff go ahead. I dont care, and Im sure Bo Ryan doesnt care. But you keep comparing 2 completely different situations and you cant even admit that they are different. Nor do you even care to comment on the fact that a letter of intent is different than actually receiving a scholarship and that actually being part of the team, getting to practice and use the facilities, is different than never stepping foot on campus. You also cant seem to accept that letters of intent and scholarships are under completely different sets of rules. Here is an article that explains the process: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/11...hts_nation.html Just so its clear: And you also dont ever want to comment on Shareef Chambliss, the PSU player who transferred to Wisconsin and PAID HIS OWN WAY. I dont exactly see what your point is. Brust was released from a LOI and through appeal was allowed to transfer inside the Big 10. Uthoff was released from scholarship with restriction. Why should Bo Ryan have to release a scholarship player without restrictions? Where has Bo Ryan ever suggested that other coaches do that?' The Big Ten initially ruled Brust couldn't accept a scholarship to another Big Ten school? Why? And if a kid doesn't want to be there, why put the restrictions on him, if he supposedly cares anything about him except for his basketball ability? Why did he say Iowa State, Marquette and the entire ACC was off limits? And as for the "training" and one year of education, until this past recruting class, the norm for college athletes was to sign one year grants that were renewed. Many in the Big Ten, including Wisconsin, now will give a 4 year guarantee, so if Uthoff signed a one year grant, what really does he owe Wisconsin?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 07:56 PM) Thats not true. The Big 10 had a rule that did not allow for any in-conference transfers without a waiver. 3 schools asked for a waiver, it was rejected. 2 schools then appealed that decision. http://host.madison.com/sports/college/bas...1cc4c002e0.html Youll notice that a large part of the argument was based on the fact Ben Brust never enrolled at Iowa and therefore Iowa would not have been hurt by this. That argument assumes that in general a player transferring after they have enrolled does hurt a program. As for the second part. You can argue Uthoff earned his money, its not about that. I just think when you portray Uthoff as a victim, you need to at least recognize he got something very valuable from Wisconsin. You"ll notice just as large part was , at least from what you highlighted ,Brust never played at Iowa. How many games did Uthoff play for Wisconsin? If Bo,won't give players the OOk to transfer to other Big Ten schools, he shouldn't take them for other Big Ten schools.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 07:26 PM) lol I have no idea because its irrelevant. Iowa was not forced to release Brust from his commitment. Iowa gave Brust a full release, which was THEIR CHOICE. Brust chose Wisconsin over other schools. Its not comparable, because Iowa chose to release Brust. Not to mention it was in part due to a coaching change. If Ryan left Wisconsin and Uthoff wanted to transfer, it would have been an entirely different matter. Also, what does it matter whether OSU/Michigan or any other school took another Big 10 player? Isnt this about how bad and unfairly Uthoff was treated. Doesnt that presuppose he was treated differently. Since you are the one making accusations, why dont you find another Big 10 player who received at least a full years scholarship and was allowed to transfer without ANY RESTRICTIONS. You keep wanting to compare to Brust, who never received a dime or any training from Iowa. Completely different. The Big Ten conference put a restriction on Brust going to another Big 10 school initially, but Wisconsin had Brust appeal. Uthoff practiced with Wisconsin and although redshirted, participated as a member of their team except for the games. He earned his scholarship, which at least whe I was in school was for one year at a time. He did his part. It's not as different as you want to make it. In fact, one of the articles you posted mentioned their similarities.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 06:46 PM) Players transfer with restrictions all the time. Most players dont cry like Uthoff when they are restricted from transferring in conference. The whole point is that the University of Wisconsin is out for the University of Wisconsin. And Uthoff had a year to learn the ins and outs of UW's system. They have every right to restrict where he goes, they had every right not to release him and force him to go to a more prestigious university. No one forced Uthoff to go to UW. No one forced him to take the money. He signed an agreement, and then he didnt want to fulfill his end. Not only didnt he want to fulfill it, he wanted NO REPERCUSSIONS. How is Uthoff the victim here? http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball...nd-restrictions Evan Smotrycz (Michigan) -- Not able to go to another Big Ten school or any team that has been scheduled for the next two years. Rayvonte Rice (Drake) - Can't go to another Missouri Valley school or Iowa and Iowa State. Damontre Harris (South Carolina) - Restricted from N.C. State due to fact that administration felt that the Wolfpack were tampering. J.D. Weatherspoon (Ohio State) - Can't go within the Big Ten. Jordan Sibert (Ohio State) - Can't go within the Big Ten. Rodney Hood (Mississippi State) - Can't go anywhere within the SEC. Glen Rice Jr., (Georgia Tech) - Can't go within the ACC or to in-state rival Georgia. Adam Smith (UNC Wilmington) - Can't go within the CAA. Gerard Coleman (Providence) - Can't go within the Big East. Josiah Turner (Arizona) - No restrictions except for Pac-12 rule in which he'd have to pay for first year if he transfers to another school within the league. T.J. McConnell (Duquesne) - Restricted from going to local schools Pittsburgh and Robert Morris. Tavon Sledge (Iowa State) - Couldn't go to another Big 12 school or Iowa. Michael Gbinijie (Duke) - No restrictions Tony Chennault (Wake Forest) - No restrictions Kyle Cain (Arizona State) - No restrictions except for the Pac-12. Notice how every Big 10 transfer was restricted from going to another Big 10 school. So why are you hating on Ryan? Seriously? And how many of those schools took other Big Ten School's players?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 06:11 PM) So says you. I think most people would agree that a coach who gave a kid almost $50k in benefits over 1 year isnt very petty that he didnt want that player to go to 1 of 11 schools in the nation. I think most reasonable Big 10 fans would agree that their coach would be wise not to let a player transfer in conference after they have practiced and learned the system for a full year. I personally would have no problem with any school in the Big 10 doing the same. If you think that is petty so be it, but 1 year out of state Wisconsin is more than 3 years in state at Iowa. Wisconsin: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews....-wisconsin-3895 tuition and fees are $26,634 Iowa: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews....ty-of-iowa-1892 $8,057 (2012-13) So when can UW expect to get the check from the Uthoffs? Because last I checked Uthoff got a free year of tuition from that very petty coach and school. Why would they get a check. He was on the team, and practiced with the team. It was the coach's decision not to play him.. It's not like the university is out the money. If the guy averaged 30 points a game and made Wisconsin big money, would he get a check? Players transfer all the time. Ryan showed everyone why the kid didn't want to play for him., and why let him transfer to some schools but not others unless your whole point is to be a dick? I don,t know if he still had time on his contract, but if he did I wonder what Ryan would have done if Wisconsin-Milwaukee wouldn't have let him take the Badgers job. There was zero reason to do what he did to Uthoff. The guy didn't even play.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 05:26 PM) Let me repeat what you said: Iowa could have put the same restrictions on Brust. Iowa could have put the same restrictions on Brust. Iowa could have put the same restrictions on Brust. Iowa could have put the same restrictions on Brust. Iowa didnt. End of story. Brust and Uthoff are 2 different unrelated situations, I dont believe Wisconsin made any agreement with Iowa that if Iowa didnt restrict Brust that they wouldnt restrict players in the future. I do believe at the time Brust was being recruited by Northwestern and Wisconsin, so it wasnt even 100% that he would pick Wisconsin. There was no trade, Uthoff left Wisconsin because hes afraid of Sam Dekker. Brust had nothing to do with Uthoff. I personally believe that there is a difference between transferring before you get money from a school and after you get money. But the main point should be that Iowa COULD HAVE PUT RESTRICTIONS and if they had, I wouldnt be in here whining because Iowa was playing by the rules. The main point is Bo Ryan was an ass to restrict Uthoff. All he accomplished was having Uthoff's parents pay his tuition at Iowa this year. Very petty.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 03:58 PM) Why are you resurrecting a comment from August? Anyways its not comparable. Ben Brust never received a dime from Iowa, Uthoff received a full years tuition. Being signed is not the same as being on the team and practicing. Once again this is the first and only time Ryan ever put any restriction on any transferring player. A similar example (if you actually wanted to discuss instead of troll) would be Sharif Chamblisss who was released from PSU and paid his own way to Wisconsin, same as Uthoff. http://badgerherald.com/sports/2004/02/25/..._finally_at.php So why are you bringing this up? Its the same if you want to transfer. Iowa could have put the same restrictions on Brust. Uthoff has to sit a year Brust was able to suck right away. Not to mention after signing his National Letter of Intent, Brust took a scholarship that could have gone to another player at that time. Maybe it works out for Iowa in the end. I think they will get the better of this "trade".

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 20, 2012 -> 05:34 PM) No they wouldnt. Wisconsin has lost committed players before. The situations are not comparable at all. Tom Crean has recruited Wisconsin players after they committed before, so why would Ryan not recruit Crean players? It would be completely negligent and derelict on his part. Furthermore, Indiana has a history (see Eric Gordon) of recruiting players already committed in the Big 10. Again why would Wisconsin let Indiana do it, and not do it themselves? It would be complete stupidity. How is it the same concept? Why dont you show me a comparable situation, where Bo Ryan recruited a player who red-shirted for another Big 10 team and that player then went to Wisconsin on scholarship. Otherwise its nothing more than a troll, and I hope that every Illinois fan destroys you for this hypocritical nonsense. Only the worst homer Hoosier fan would complain about this, its sad actually. Ben Brust signed with Iowa, then Lickliter was sent packing and he was allowed to go to Wisconsin on scholarship from the get go. McCaffery could have pulled the same thing Bo did with Uthoff. Being signed in the Big Ten is basically the same status as anyone who is part of the team. I would think its the same concept as both players wanted to move on because they thought their style of play didn't match the coaching staff's style.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 01:44 PM) I know there's only so much the Sox can do about that, but it's absolutely a reason attendance is down, or nowhere near comparable to the North side. Average Joe "Cubs" fan gets the buddies together. Hey, let's meet up at (fill in one of hundreds of places here) beforehand, then after the game, we can head to (fill in one of hundreds of places here). It's an event, it's an all day thing. And it's all walking distance once you're in the area. At the cell, it's either put together an effort to tailgate, or you can meet for a beer at Bacardi. You're going to the game just to go to the game. That works for me, but for a lot of people it just doesn't cut it. I was in Philadelphia a couple of weeks ago and went to this place. Its much better than Bacardi at the Park, beer isn't $8. Of course in Philly all their stadiums are together, but if the Sox built one of these it may help. I'd imagine some neighborhood people would frequent it on non game days. I wonder if this isn't exactly what they are talking about adding to the United Center. It was pretty sweet. Outdoor/indoor, huge TV screen inside and a jumbotron like screen outside. A stage set up for live music outside. Several restaurants and bars. I was eating shrimp cocktail and sucking back some Molsen before a Rush show. http://xfinitylive.com/index.cfm http://xfinitylive.com/index.cfm

QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 11:20 AM) Speaking of Ozzie being fired, was Cowley fired as well? I haven't heard anything come from that jerkoff's mouth in a while. I think he's the Bulls' beat writer now for the Sun Times. His columnist days were ova before Ozzie even got canned. 2012 was not kind to Team Guillen.

The Sox shouldn't have had to hire someone to tell them their pricing was out of whack. It will be interesting to see the other changes. IMO, that's what they were paying for.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 09:28 AM) It is just going to mean salary inflation. It will but it will mean the Sox have some money to throw around. Not every team will be spending the money. I don't know if the luxury tax goes any higher. The Yankees are cutting payroll this year. Some of these teams, especially the big spenders, may have already spent it . Some other teams probably don't spend it anyways. It probably is one reason Loria paid Ozzie not to manage.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 09:17 AM) Sorry to respond late on this, but... what is this referring to? Why are the Sox suddenly going to get $50M more dollars A YEAR from those networks? And how are the other teams effected? They just extended the network TV contracts 8 years at more than double what they were getting. Every team is going to be bringing in an extra $25 million or more starting in 2014. The total for 8 years for the network contracts is 12,400,000,000. I divided by 8 and by 30 for the yearly figure. They will get 51,666,666.67 a year from these contracts alone. From what I read, they had been getting about $25 million. Salaries will be jumping.

Bears are in serious trouble today.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 28, 2012 -> 01:42 PM) regardless of the OL, cutler has been terrible protecting the ball. Yes, and he probably could have avoided a couple of sacks. Both have been terrible in the first half. If Cutler is hurt then he needs to be pulled. This is Grossmanesque.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 28, 2012 -> 01:36 PM) Fans booing Bears OL at half bad................Cutler mumbling and shaking his head at the fans WTF Cutler they blow! I saw that. The OL and Cutler deserve the boos. JCINAA.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 28, 2012 -> 09:57 AM) The difference between Sale/Buehrle and Peavy was about -7. Put Sale in the pen and it probably is -5 You are still way above 85 wins. I personally don't necessarily blame Ozzie for Dunn/Rios, although an argument could be made. Supposedly Rios and Ozzie were buddies but I don't know if that was true all along which could explain the getting away with loafing or he suddenly became Ozzie's pal when he had to be separated from KW. Ozzie spouts off that he knew Dunn was going to be bad in spring training but it took him over 100 games to move him down in the line up when he wasn't managing to win but managing to try to make his boss look bad. To not notice or to let it slide because of 2005, would question fanhood to me.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 28, 2012 -> 09:35 AM) 2011's "all-in" team wasn't going to win more than 85 games with a top-of-the-rotation of Buehrle/Danks as opposed to Sale/Peavy regardless of how Dunn and Rios played. The difference between Dunn and Rios WAR from 2011 to 2012 was about 10. If in contention they don't dump Jackson, and probably add. Considering they won 79 as it was, you're probably not correct.

They are going to need to get more people to the park, but keep in mind, starting in 2014, their TV money more than doubles from Fox, ESPN and Turner. They will be pulling in over $50 million a year from them. Its not entirely out of the realm of possibility the Sox have a higher payroll than most imagine in coming years.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Oct 27, 2012 -> 04:32 PM) I think Beckman is doing a terrible job but there is zero returning talent on offense. The offense was absolutely abysmal last year and the only two legitimate players from that team are in the NFL. I thought this team could get to 6-6 or 7-6 on the strength of the defense like last year but only a handful of the guys on the offense are legitimate Big 10 players. No excuse for the defense to be this bad. He might indeed be the worst hire of all time, but to base it all on this years' results isn't fair. If his recruiting classes are lame, then Illinois has a huge problem and the AD who actually might be the worst hire in Big Ten history, will be the first one collecting unemployment checks.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 26, 2012 -> 08:58 PM) So did Brent Morel's Sept of 2011. Beckham can still be a nice bench player. 2 different circumstances. Morel was playing in meaningless games, Beckham was not. Of course I'm a little biased because I think Beckham is still going to be a way above average player. I will say if his numbers don't jump in 2013 he most likely isn't going tto be much better. But right now , at his price point, he's a guy the Sox should stick with. At the very least he hits homers and gives you great defense.

What's the deal with the "this chair" crap.