Dick Allen

I was afraid of this. He was a nice and funny man. RIP.

When Frank Thomas first came up, he pretty much did most his damage the other way. People get excited about young guys with power. There were some on here that thought Josh Fields had 50 HR potential. That was for a season, not a career.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 27, 2012 -> 08:12 AM) So what's the next thread? Dick Allen brought it up in the game thread last night. Alexei Ramirez should be traded because he's PROBABLY older than his official age and by the time we're actually competitive, he will be well past his prime and trending downwards in all aspect of the game...and that maybe his April offensive woes aren't the typical "he'll warm up eventually in the summer months as usual" but the first signs of real decline. First off I just mentioned his average had been crashing and someone mentioned his April norm. I would bet a lot of money he is older than listed and someday his bad April is going to continue into May and June, ..... I never mentioned a trade. Obviously guys are going to slump. Look at Pujols.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 09:37 PM) It's April. His career OPS in April is under .600. Mid-May is the time to start getting worried. Yes, but someday it will be not because its April, but because he's lost it.

QUOTE (jeffro2525 @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 09:35 PM) 17 hits now for Dunn. 49 more to reach last years total. Its hard to believe how pathetic he was last year.

Infield hit. Adam might have his streak snapped tonight.

Dunn looks like he's lost a few pounds since the season started. Maybe he cut down his beer consumption.

Alexei's average is crashing. The one thing you have to worry about with him is there's a pretty good chance he's a bit older than reported.

QUOTE (jeffro2525 @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 09:24 PM) Ohman having a couple of good days. An inning of scoreless relief yesterday, and now a couple tonight. Way to go loogie. All that means is bad is coming.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 08:52 PM) Huh. Almost forgot that today is the reason Mel Kiper Jr. is employed by ESPN and makes more money than most of the guys he talks about ever will. Someone I work with was wondering why Mel doesn't get a job in the NFL. I told him he makes more money doing what he's doing and he'll never be accountable for being wrong. He'd be a fool to stop doing what he's doing.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 09:20 PM) We will mark your words, Dick You should.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 09:19 PM) Man I am so sick of watching Gordon Beckham play baseball Give him 2 weeks. You'll change your mind. He's pretty close to figuring some things out.

Viciedo will be silencing his critics soon.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 08:54 PM) Boston with nine runs off Humber. Man is he rotten tonight. They should have traded him when he had "max" value.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 05:16 PM) What is this upside that is thrown around on this board. Hawk and a few people on this board think he could be the next Vlad Guerrero I guess, but I've never seen overt-the-top glowing reports on his potential. I always thought Carlos Lee when considering upside

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 05:07 PM) Don't care what one year of OPS says. Slugging LF'ers are simple to find. Name a few that are available

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 03:35 PM) It also means you have destroyed the pen for the next few days as well, as you don't have a long man either. If Robin had to use Stewart for a significant stretch yesterday after 14, someone, probably Stewart, would have been sent down to Charlotte.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 04:42 PM) Really? Because I just checked the stats for all of 2011. There were 7 left fielders in baseball who qualified in PA's and had an >800 OPS. There were...7 second basemen who met that standard. The average OPS league-wide for LF's was .727 and for 2b was .708. And LF's had a needle loaded Ryan Braun who also stood out and helped carry that position. It certainly seems like both are at a premium. Don't cloud Joe/Marty with facts. It makes all his arguments insignificant, just like the White Sox without Ozzie.

52 ABs and people want to kick him to the curb. He sucks, but he's got a lot of value they say. What? The bottom line is the Sox have $10 million invested in this guy. They aren't going to get rid of him anytime soon unless its for someone they think is much better than him. Not for someone who may be better than him, and teams usually don't do you favors like that. If you judge 23 year olds on 52 ABs, how in the world do you endorse rebuilding projects? You'd be suicidal by the second week of the season.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 11:51 AM) Then there's no reason to trade him. As noted, he may hold out, but missing the season is not going to be an option for him, and the franchise tag is still more money in 1 season than he's made his entire career. Exactly. I don't think most people realize Forte hasn't made $4 million total, bonus and incentives included ,in his 4 seasons with the Bears. His back ups were making many times more money than him. He'll take the $7.7 million eventually. He's been vastly underpaid.

Dunn will be looking to extend his streak to 19 in a row. He has played 23 games in a White Sox uniform where he has not struck out.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 03:00 PM) Nice meltdown by Heath Bell today Again. If the Sox don't make the playoffs, if they at least have a better record than the Marlins, all will not be lost.

It shouldn't be about hurting his feelings. Keep him on the team, just change the line up a bit. If your clean up hitter has no track record and isn't getting the job done and everyone else is, he gets moved down Its time to move Santiago into another role. If Santiago had a history of saving games, or the Sox had no other decent options, I could understand the stubborness.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 12:06 PM) We have Jake Peavy, and he's a former Cy Young winner and paid like one, so we should trade every young player we have to compete this year. And then we'll lose him after this year, in which case Marty34 might acknowledge we're NOT in win-now mode any longer because our rotation no longer says we're competitive because it has Molina in it. And if Molina fails, that means KW should lose his job now. But putting Molina in the rotation will cause us to struggle for a couple of seasons, so we can't do that. So fire KW again because we don't have any major league-ready starters. I believe Joe or Marty wanted a total rebuild, yet he can't take a young guy struggling for a couple of weeks before he wants him out. If people want to trade Viciedo fine, but these people say he won't develop into much and also think he'll bring a decent return. If anyone thinks he sucks, why wouldn't they think every other team thinks he sucks?

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 09:36 AM) I was replying to your post that said "Thornton's dealing right now." His last outing was good, but his 2 days ago he was bad. I don't exactly call that "dealing." I'm not opposed to Thornton closing only because Reed might not be ready. Thornton's definitely not a long term solution as a closer though. He's got an 0.83 WHIP and an 0.93 ERA, and leads the league in appearances. He's dealing.