Dick Allen

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 5, 2011 -> 09:58 AM) Pierre lf Ramirez ss Konerko 1b Pierzynski c Viciedo rf Dunn dh De Aza cf Vizquel 3b Beckham 2b Humber p At least he's giving Rios a seat not Viciedo or De Aza.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Sep 5, 2011 -> 09:14 AM) It's all a crapshoot. A manager is generally only as good as the players perform. Did Joe Torre, who had 1 first place finish in his first 15 years as a manager, become an infinitely better manager when he became the Yankees boss? Or were his players better? Is Ron Gardenhire a bad manager this year? I'm not saying those guys are bad candidates but I don't expect the Sox to be any better if Rios and Dunn are on the team and performing like they did this year. For a manager to have a nice win/loss record he better have good players. You are right there. The problem with Ozzie is all the decision making. Leaving Dunn and Rios in the line up as long as he did without even moving them down. Not putting opponents best hitters or hitters that own the pitchers on the mound with first base open on first and letting them beat you time and time again. Never letting his hitters swing at 3-0 meatballs. Continuing to bunt with people who can't bunt. With a LHP on the mound, having Alexei Ramirez bunt a runner over to second so Paulie can be walked and Dunn can strikeout vs the lefty. We have seen way too much of this. Even Hawk appears to have grown weary. Its time for him to go. Its time for KW to go. Maybe in the next couple of years we can all be thanking someone else for winning the WS and they won't let it get to their heads like these 2 knuckleheads let it get to theirs.

Lou Holtz made a career out of wondering if he could beat teams with 210 pound left tackles when he was stacked with All Americans. Ozzie's "I hope we don't get swept" was nothing, but it still will be nice if someone else is making out the line up card at USCF next season. Just remember he also said he had guys ready to play before the game last night.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 10:41 PM) Wow, I actually agree with Ozzie totally there. I agree with the concept, but they obviously weren't ready to play tonight.

Here's a pre-game quote from Ozzie. As for players not ready to play tomorrow, maybe you should have had them ready to play tonight. Having Sunday's game moved to an 8 p.m. (Eastern time) start was not exactly what the Sox wanted in the first place, given Monday's day-night doubleheader in Minnesota, but Guillen insisted on a no-whining zone about the team's plight. "I don't want to hear any complaints either when we go to play two games in Minnesota," he said. "Get another job. If you think this is tough, try to do somebody else's job. "We get paid very well, we have a great life, then the least we can do is play a day-night doubleheader. Anybody on my club is not ready to play two games, make sure you let me know. I have people here who are ready to play."

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 10:26 PM) Viciedo is 6-8 vs LHP this year, while Dunn is 3-81....nicely done It took him 3 AB to equal Dunn's hit total vs. LHP this year.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 10:25 PM) Has a team ever came back from an 18 run deficit in the 9th ever??? I doubt it. Even in softball the mercy rule would have been in order. 26 unanswered runs in a row for Detroit. Fire Don Cooper.

QUOTE (klaus kinski @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 10:21 PM) So then is this the low point since the blackout game? In late August of 2007, the Sox were in contention for the worst record in baseball. That had to be the low point. Even if the Sox swept this series, it still would have been against the odds they made the playoffs. This just put all the nails in the coffin, and killed any chance for for any ticket sales at USCF this year. Adam Done was going to pitch? He hits like a pitcher.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 10:18 PM) No way. This is the same person who argues with PitchTrax. Hawk will keep it up until the Sox are mathematically eliminated. I've noticed the pitch trax thing. It makes me laugh every time.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 10:17 PM) Guillen isn't going to manage the Sox in 2012. Marlins can just say we'll wait for 2013 to hire him. But then they have to go with another one year guy and they are opening their new park. I would think if their interest has been genuine, they would like to have Ozzie in place on opening day next season.

What are the chances the Sox win tomorrow afternoon and we get the how proud of the team for coming back speech?

A chance at history.

I'm pretty sure we've heard the last of the constant Tiger updates from Hawk for the season.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 10:13 PM) LOL And to think this buffoon was talking contract extension the other day. He's no quitter, but he can't work with only one year left on his contract.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 10:10 PM) The point is you don't say that at all. When you have a manager that does, that is a huge issue. I'm not an Ozzie apologist to say the least, but I saw nothing wrong with what he said. I hoped they wouldn't get swept. We really don't know the context.

Looks like a sweep.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 06:23 PM) I would love a rebuild, but jerry's unwillingness to spend in scouting and the draft kills. The sox have some good pieces, but the philosophy is messed up. Just look how many power pitchers have sox drafted in the last 10 years? 1, 2? Sale and who? Like they say ohh he's got a power changeup, his fastball sits in the 88 mph range... Sorry you have to be really good to make it on that and how many have for the sox lately? Buehrle and..? So until the sox change there mindset and philosophy of there farm system and how they pursue talent, this type of situation is gonna happen a lot.... They have drafted plenty of power pitchers over the years, but they don't pan out often. What you hit on is a guy who is at 88 but gets up to 95. I read an article one time which said the vast majority of guys that throw 95 in high school usually aren't much above 90 if that, 5 years later.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 05:23 PM) Hearing about the kids work ethic and attention span, banking on large improvement is dicey. Those kind of guys can hit a wall very easily. I agree if you're lazy when you are making minimum and are 20-21 years old, chances are you are only going to get lazier as you get older and make more money.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 06:00 PM) So would Ryan if Priors salary demands didn't scare him off as a small market GM. Sometimes being cheap pays off, it also helped Mauer was the local boy, but he did make the correct call.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 08:35 AM) The thing to remember though...Terry Ryan had exactly 2 ridiculous benefits. He got the #1 pick in the right year to get a player who came up and hit while he was still GM (and then departed before that player's knees gave out), and then he also happened to hit absolute gold on a rule 5 draft pick. He also was the beneficiary of some really stupid trading by the Giants too. If we wanted to there's room to criticize him as well. Letting David Ortiz walk right before he turned into a (possibly chemically enhanced) hitting machine. The majority of GMs would have taken Pryor over Mauer.

Daryl Boston

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:26 PM) By the way, how did Brent look today? I see that he homered and reached on an error, any chance it looked like he was being more aggressive and trying to pull the ball? He hit his homer hard. Penny missed his spot by about 2 feet, but you still have to hit it.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:39 PM) Except for the first week it's been the most utterly depressing and disgusting season in a long time. As nice as it would have been to steal the division we don't deserve postseason ball this year. As Walker said in that story, "it's been a long year for everybody." Team doesn't deserve the postseason. Glad it's over. Hope the Bears have a good year and the Hawks too. I'll still follow every game but this group of stiffs didn't deserve the postseason. I just hope it's not LaRussa for next year. Anybody but LaRussa, Bell and Cora. And please fire KW as well as Oz. If one goes both should go. I finally agree with you.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:32 PM) I haven't been this mad at the results of a baseball game in a long long time. I left the house at the rain delay... and they lost? This is just one of those seasons boys and girls. I still have faith and I'm still a White Sox fan, but this one is painful. I truly believe that next year will be a lot better for the Sox - especially with a new coaching staff. I was thinking that this season. Last year they wound up winning a lot of games, but they were pretty pitiful most of the season. That 25-5 stretch was great, but their 88 wins at the end felt like a lot less. This year's .500 record feels like 2007. Maybe my expectations are just too high. The organization has been spinning its wheels too long.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:14 PM) i know exactly what i'm wishing for. i'm wishing we had traded our pieces at the trade deadline for prospects, let de aza, lilli, viciedo, flowers, beckham and whomever else we acquired play and see what we have. it's a lot better than this dunn/rios/pierre bulls*** that ran us into the ground this year. Shockingly both Quentin and Thornton can still be traded during the offseason. They obviously weren't offered too much for them or they would have been gone, and the guys they probably would have received for them you wouldn't see play this year, unless you followed the minor leagues. Dunn isn't playing anymore. If Quentin were healthy, Rios wouldn't be playing anymore. I couldn't agree more they played way too long. Its one reason why I'm going to be an ex seasonticketholder unless both KW and Ozzie are gone. But a total rebuild means you have to draft well. Real well. The Sox were horrible in 1986, horrible in 1987, horrible in 1988 and horrible in 1989 when they last did a total rebuild. They got extremely lucky and got McDowell, Ventura, Thomas and Fernandez in the draft. They wanted Mike Harkey, but the Cubs took him so they settled for McDowell, inexplicably, the Cubs who had been looking for a 3rd baseman for many years took someone who never made it to the major leagues instead of Ventura, the Sox wanted Jeff Jackson but Philadelphia drafted him, so they missed out on a guy who never made the major leagues and had to settle for a HOFer, and Fernandez was only available because Milwaukee went cheap on him the year before. If a couple of those go the other way, it may be 6 or 7 or 8 or even more years of being pitiful. When you are that pitiful if you think Hawk talking up guys now is bad, just wait. When you rebuild, everyone is the second coming. Back then I was driving home from college and had the game on. John Rooney went on and on for an inning and a half why Gary Redus was a better ballplayer than Rickey Henderson. I'm being totally serious.