Dick Allen

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 11:45 AM) Dunn passed on the Tigers for us. Perhaps, but Dunn was supposedly close to signing with the Tigers on Nov 17. A week later the Tigers signed Martinez for about the same amount of money Dunn received. A week after that Dunn signed with the Sox. If you're saying money will be no object for Pizza Pizza, and you may be correct, if they really wanted Dunn so badly why wouldn't they have just jacked up the bid a little higher? Money talks. Do you really think if KW called Dave Dombrowski up today and told him he'd like to give him Adam Dunn for an A Ball pitcher with a 10.00 ERA Dombrowski would say yes?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 11:39 AM) He had worth on the free agent market mere months ago. He was the Tigers #1 target. And the Tigers passed and then signed Victor Martinez. They didn't want to pay him that contract. You think a .157 average with 23 strikeouts in 14 games has changed their minds? If they were so gung ho about signing him and had to have him, they would have signed him. Now they added someone else. They might take him if KW took Magglio and his $10 million contract this year back, but what does that accomplish?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 11:22 AM) If you really believe that Dunn went from worth $56 million to nothing in a matter of a few months, then yes, you are overreacting. No I'm not. For one thing, I never thought he was worth $14 million a year, but again, I liked the Sox signing him. What you are "worth" in baseball is not fully based on your ability and performance. A lot of it has to do with finances no matter what iamshack cares to believe. If Albert Pujols becomes a free agent, there isn't a team on this earth he wouldn't make better, but there won't be 30 MLB teams trying to sign him. Dunn is limited defensively and is only going to get more limited the next few years. I really doubt an NL team would want to take a chance on that contract and have him in the field 3 years from now. An AL team wouldn't mind having him DH if he can show he can still hit, but that's a big number to be paying a DH, most teams have that position filled right now and most wouldn't be able or wouldn't be willing to take on his contract right now without a lot of relief. Its not that he's worth nothing, he's obviously worth something, but for other teams he needs to be worth the value of his contract, plus whatever else was required to make a deal, and I don't see a team where that's possible without the Sox taking back something they probably don't want that costs money. Dunn is more valuable to the Sox than other teams.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 08:59 AM) Ridiculous? Dunn makes $14 million a year. They would have to pay him a ton of money this year. You're right, businesses don't operate with budgets. Not many teams have $14 million laying around to pay someone, at least they don't want to admit it, not only to their paying customers but also the union. Plus they would owe him $14 million a year for 3 years after this, and he's basically a DH. You can call adding Dunn's contract no big deal but 30 MLB teams would disagree with you. If its no big deal, KW should throw some more money around to fix his team. And if its no big deal why didn't those teams trump the White Sox offer when Dunn was a FA? Exactly one team claimed Alex Rios, someone who could play the field, who could run a lot better and was several years younger, and was owed about the same amount of money. Dunn has been awful his last 300 AB. No team is going to give you anything of consequence for him, and take the contract. They may trade for him but the Sox would have to eat money and that makes zero sense from a Sox perspective. Its a different world than just a couple of seasons ago. Even the Yankees are asking teams to eat some money when they want to make a trade. The facts are Dunn was a FA and Detroit and the Angels were the other teams in pursuit. Detroit dropped out when they signed Victor Martinez. The Angels have Bobby Abreu DHing, and Kendrys Morales back eventually. They wouldn't offer what the White Sox offered so they passed. Why would they be willing to pay now? Its also ironic a guy who was pissed when the Sox signed Konerko because Derek Lee was a cheaper option, is upset about talk of money. Most of baseball's moves these days are based upon money. Get used to it. You are way overreacting to a guy who just got back from a surgery in a week. I'm not overreacting. I like Dunn on the Sox. The Sox overpayed, but that's fine by me.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 07:26 AM) All kinds of teams that expect to be competitive leave room in their budget to make additions at the trade deadline. Any team looking to acquire Dunn would most likely not need to have $14 million in cash to deliver to him in a suitcase immediately. Most likely, they would take on about $5-6 million this year, which might have been left open in the budget, or resulted in an increase in ticket sales, or borrowed from another budget, etc. Yes, they would be required to pay Adam Dunn some $42 million over the next 3 years as well, but they very well have room for that in their budget because they haven't committed much in terms of payroll over the time period. And yes, the White Sox might even be required to throw in some money, but if it means getting out from a contract that is no longer seen as prudent within the makeup of the roster or direction the organization wishes to go in over the next three years, than it would indeed make sense rather than pay a player when the team would most likely not be competitive. I understand what you are saying in many of these posts. But you seem to take an incredibly simplistic view of the finances of a major league baseball team, especially considering some of the things organizations have done in recent years (including the one you are a fan of). And instead of realizing that the resources and assets of MLB teams are often very complex, you choose to view payroll budgets as some giant piggy bank which is broken open at the beginning of every season. For someone who claims to be an accountant, I just find the fact that you have that viewpoint incredibly unreasonsable, and difficult to comprehend. At the end of the month Dunn will be owed $11,666,667 this season, and $42 million the next 3 years. Please just name a team that would be willing to take him and his contract right now for A) something worthwhile and then give me the teams that would just take the contract. People are talking firesales here, not me. I don't think there will be one. But there is no team that would take Adam Dunn and his contract this afternoon off KWs hands unless they received some significant financial aid, and as I have stated, that makes zero sense for the White Sox.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 07:20 AM) The Sox are tied for 29th in MLB, a half game better then the lowly Mariners. If this keeps up, think of the draft pick they will have.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 07:50 PM) If Adam Dunn became available today. There would be a bunch of teams that would chase after him. Heck we are playing one right now that I would bet on. Not with Victor Martinez on their team.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 07:29 PM) Yeah, they'll win next round. I'd be very surprised if the Bulls were to beat Boston or Miami in the Conference Finals though to be honest after watching these 4 games. This team needs better perimeter shooting, and more specifically, a 2 guard who can create for himself. Such things can be found, and I could see the Bulls winning title(s) if they do. But not right now, there are a lot of weaknesses on this team offensively that the process of being exposed has already begun on. Or this series can be used as a learning experience. I doubt the Bulls will continue to shoot so poorly and maybe they can figure something out with the way Indiana is playing them because everyone will play them that way and will only be better. I truly believe this is good experience for the Bulls. They will be confident if they don't play their best they will still be in the game but not. cocky. You have to know how to win close games.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 07:07 PM) Have you seen some of the offenses around MLB this year? There would be 10 teams that would claim Adam Dunn on waivers. I'm not asking what other teams could possibly use him, I'm just asking you to name one that you could make a reasonable assumption would willing to add his contract right now. Not many teams admit they left at least $14 million in the bank before the season started.

It seems the Sox have a real bad streak every year, even in 2005 when their huge lead was cut to game 1.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 02:09 PM) If you worked for a minor league team and KW Jr. asked for something that wasn't a reasonable request, would you feel comfortable saying no to him? Yes I would, but I'm married to a Labor and Employment Attorney so I think anyone would mess with me.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 06:50 PM) I don't understand this. It's April. Do you want a season from hell and no fun baseball this summer? I really think they should fire KW or Ozzie right now. I mean, unless they don't want to eat the salaries. The month of April is now classified as a disaster. That's one month of the season. Teams have fired guys in April before. I guarantee you Ozzie wouldn't be surprised if he got canned. He knows the drill. The Sox fired Gene Lamont 31 games into 1995 with an 11-20 record after back to back division titles. The problem is they replaced him with Terry Bevington. If the Sox have someone better than Ozzie available to take over, fine, but if its just another organizational guy, why bother?

QUOTE (Real @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 06:21 PM) Rios has a shoulder injury btw, Rongey mentioned it a couple days ago, he's trying to play through it. I don't think he said exactly what kind of injury it was, just said shoulder Really, because the reports have been his toe has been bothering him and has been a problem for 4 or 5 years. If he's beat up enough where he can't perform, its time to DL him.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 06:12 PM) At what point do you bench Rios? Definitely seems like he's taking his struggles at the plate to the field. I don't know if its his toe or what but the Oakland TV crew was blasting his effort running out a grounder the other day. He's been brutal.

QUOTE (OilCan @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 06:05 PM) Over/under on how many more games until Ozzie quits on this team? If they continue to lose, we will get the Ozzie seriously contemplated walking away story the day after the next off day.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 01:26 PM) . No, that had absolutely nothing to do with why anybody was angry with it. The people who didn't like the trade thought we didn't get adequate value for 6 years of well below market value for a mid-rotation starter, while leaving us with almost completely nothing in the minors in terms of pitching talent. Anybody who mentioned the "greatness" of Hudson was only responding to the idea that Hudson was only some sort of "NL" pitcher even though he was having a better year than Jackson, against better competition, in a more hitter friendly park. Hudson's ERA was less than 1/3 of Jackson's in Arizona, yet somehow Jackson was the only one possibly capable of handling the AL all of a sudden, which is absolutely absurd. I'll agree to disagree on this issue, but my problem with this trade has nothing to do with how "great" Dan Hudson is. The point is that Hudson doesn't have to be better than Jackson for us to lose this trade. Even if he's only the 4-5 starter you pessimistically peg him as, and I agree he's not as good as he was last year, we could still lose this trade. The argument has nothing to with Hudson being better than Jackson. It has everything to do with money. Nothing to do with it? Hudson wasn't good with the Sox last year, Jackson was. If Hudson had the same numbers last year with AZ he has this season, there would have been no b****ing.

I still think the Sox will be OK, but they better start winning within their division. Their struggles against Minnesota have been well chronicled, but this is going to be the 8th straight loss to Detroit. As Hawk would say, that won't work.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 12:07 PM) This couldn't be more wrong. Who would claim him? Or who would give you something of value for him? He's a DH making a ton of money. I'm happy the Sox have him because they have a need, but there aren't a lot of teams looking to spend $50 million on a DH right now, especially if he isn't hitting at the moment, and is 61 for his last 289 .211 avg with 112 strikeouts.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 05:23 PM) Can I just blame Edwin Jackson? Anyway, it'd really help if the team would catch the ball. You could and that would be the correct thing to do, but if you tend to blame Walker when the Sox hitting goes south, you should blame Cooper when the pitching goes. Jackson didn't pitch very well but he didn't get any help from his defense today . Pierre made a terrible play even though he may have the error changed, and on the triple, while it would have been a good play, Rios took a route a cartoon character would have taken to that ball. These runs in the 6th were on Ozzie as it was quite obvious Jackson was out of gas.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 05:22 PM) Not a chance. Cora gets the job. Cooper has never managed at any level. According to Oney, Cora wouldn't accept the job.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 05:20 PM) The scary thing is that it's possible they'll promote Cooper to manager if Ozzie gets let go. The bottom line is the Sox needed at least 10 runs to win yesterday and at least 9 runs to win today. There are more Walker vultures are out, but no Cooper. If Walker is solely responsible for the hitter's performances, shouldn't the pitchers' all be on Coop?

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 05:09 PM) "Both Walker and manager Ozzie Guillen have pointed to the fearsome starting pitching the White Sox have faced over the past week as a reason for the offensive cooling." NOTHING WE CAN DO! IT WAS JUST "FEARSOME" PITCHING! Haha, from top to bottom, this team is just a joke. What's Don Cooper's excuse? Fire Coop, he can't fix 'em.

QUOTE (Felix @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 11:04 AM) Fantastic analysis. That's basically exactly what we've been saying all along. Thank you for summarizing for the people who don't care to read. So based on efficiency ratings, Carlos Boozer just missed out being an All Defense player.

Getz has an OPS lower than Beckham's is currenty. Sweeney is hitting .222 with 1 RBI. I thought April Fool's Day was 3 weeks ago?