Dick Allen

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 04:33 PM) A very interesting name that popped up during the off-season was the Cubs. Apparently with the contracts they had coming off of the books in 2011, they were hoping to backload a deal. And then they signed Carlos Pena. Considering they may have their eyes on Pujols or Fielder Dunn isn't going there.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 02:00 PM) And that's the last time we had a true rebuilding movement, in 1998 and 1999. Rebuilding is a careful what you wish for deal. Believe me, if the Cubs had a good team and the Sox were losing 95 games but getting high draft picks, everyone who wants a total rebuild right now would be very unhappy. Losing is depressing and really sucks. I totally agree with where you predict attendance to fall if the Sox ever chose this route. I don't think they will, at least I hope they don't under the current regime, because they aren't the people who can get it done. There are very few who could get it done, and even fewer who could get it done quickly. You have to obviously know what you are drafting. Know what you are getting in trades and really get unbelievably lucky.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 04:26 PM) Right, because I agree with Balta all of the time. If you look at even just the AL between the DH's, 1B's and OF's even if you want to irrationally DQ Detroit, there are plenty of other teams that would be after Adam Dunn if they were in the race. Name another.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 04:18 PM) per Cowley KW is making the trip to NYC and if things don't turn around a sacrifice will be made. Repeat, this is Cowley, so to be safe divide by 2 and doubt what's left. That would be an interesting sacrifice. I suppose if they didn't score a run, Walker would be the obvious choice, but what if they lost 9-8,8-7,11-9 and 5-4? I think its Cowley just throwing some crap out there and if someone does go eventually he will tell everyone he broke the story.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 04:19 PM) That doesn't mean they would want him any less. The talk originally was that Detroit was going to sign both of them. Yes it does, even your buddy Balta agrees. And if it went down as you say, which I doubt, why would you want someone who wants no part of playing for you?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 04:14 PM) For nothing but his contract? 100% yes. The only reason he didn't end up there in the first place was because Dunn didn't want to go to Detroit. Then they signed Victor Martinez.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 04:13 PM) So like I said in the beginning, you are totally based this on what he is hitting a week after coming back from surgery, instead of the 300+ homers he has in the last decade, or that there was actually plenty of interest in him in the off-season. Great. I don't think you have any room to say anything. I'm basing it on the fact teams' rosters are set, Dunn gets paid a lot of money and is very limited defensively. If KW determined Morel couldn't handle 3B and Cashman offered him ARod for nothing, KW would say no. It doesn't mean ARod is worthless, but no one is going to take his contract, and I really doubt anyone would take Dunn's right now, and if they did, that GM probably would put his career on the line because if Dunn didn't hit.............

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 04:12 PM) IF that DH was Adam Dunn and a team had an opening, absolutely. Again, I'm asking if anyone has an opening. Would Dombrowski take Dunn and his contract for nothing right now? Its a yes or no question. Not moderator gang up time.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 04:04 PM) Like I said, I have no doubt he would do it if he thought it would win him a division. Hell after this weekend, we put them right back into the race, the odds are probably pretty good for it, in theory. So you're saying they were out of the race until this weekend, and these 3 games over Easter weekend put them back in the race and would be in the market for a DH hitting .150 and owed $50 million? Please don't ever tell anyone what they post is silly ever again.

QUOTE (bulokis @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 03:59 PM) If we end up with a fire sale i will support it. We may need a new direction, stock up on some young talent. But i am not sure kw can do it Everyone acts like the Sox won't score 2 runs in a game for the rest of the year. This streak is beyond frustrating, however it will end soon and it will be a fun summer watching baseball.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 03:53 PM) If he thought Dunn would win him the division, he would do it in a heartbeat. Way to dance around it. You know the answer.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 11:45 AM) Dunn passed on the Tigers for us. Perhaps, but Dunn was supposedly close to signing with the Tigers on Nov 17. A week later the Tigers signed Martinez for about the same amount of money Dunn received. A week after that Dunn signed with the Sox. If you're saying money will be no object for Pizza Pizza, and you may be correct, if they really wanted Dunn so badly why wouldn't they have just jacked up the bid a little higher? Money talks. Do you really think if KW called Dave Dombrowski up today and told him he'd like to give him Adam Dunn for an A Ball pitcher with a 10.00 ERA Dombrowski would say yes?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 11:39 AM) He had worth on the free agent market mere months ago. He was the Tigers #1 target. And the Tigers passed and then signed Victor Martinez. They didn't want to pay him that contract. You think a .157 average with 23 strikeouts in 14 games has changed their minds? If they were so gung ho about signing him and had to have him, they would have signed him. Now they added someone else. They might take him if KW took Magglio and his $10 million contract this year back, but what does that accomplish?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 11:22 AM) If you really believe that Dunn went from worth $56 million to nothing in a matter of a few months, then yes, you are overreacting. No I'm not. For one thing, I never thought he was worth $14 million a year, but again, I liked the Sox signing him. What you are "worth" in baseball is not fully based on your ability and performance. A lot of it has to do with finances no matter what iamshack cares to believe. If Albert Pujols becomes a free agent, there isn't a team on this earth he wouldn't make better, but there won't be 30 MLB teams trying to sign him. Dunn is limited defensively and is only going to get more limited the next few years. I really doubt an NL team would want to take a chance on that contract and have him in the field 3 years from now. An AL team wouldn't mind having him DH if he can show he can still hit, but that's a big number to be paying a DH, most teams have that position filled right now and most wouldn't be able or wouldn't be willing to take on his contract right now without a lot of relief. Its not that he's worth nothing, he's obviously worth something, but for other teams he needs to be worth the value of his contract, plus whatever else was required to make a deal, and I don't see a team where that's possible without the Sox taking back something they probably don't want that costs money. Dunn is more valuable to the Sox than other teams.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 08:59 AM) Ridiculous? Dunn makes $14 million a year. They would have to pay him a ton of money this year. You're right, businesses don't operate with budgets. Not many teams have $14 million laying around to pay someone, at least they don't want to admit it, not only to their paying customers but also the union. Plus they would owe him $14 million a year for 3 years after this, and he's basically a DH. You can call adding Dunn's contract no big deal but 30 MLB teams would disagree with you. If its no big deal, KW should throw some more money around to fix his team. And if its no big deal why didn't those teams trump the White Sox offer when Dunn was a FA? Exactly one team claimed Alex Rios, someone who could play the field, who could run a lot better and was several years younger, and was owed about the same amount of money. Dunn has been awful his last 300 AB. No team is going to give you anything of consequence for him, and take the contract. They may trade for him but the Sox would have to eat money and that makes zero sense from a Sox perspective. Its a different world than just a couple of seasons ago. Even the Yankees are asking teams to eat some money when they want to make a trade. The facts are Dunn was a FA and Detroit and the Angels were the other teams in pursuit. Detroit dropped out when they signed Victor Martinez. The Angels have Bobby Abreu DHing, and Kendrys Morales back eventually. They wouldn't offer what the White Sox offered so they passed. Why would they be willing to pay now? Its also ironic a guy who was pissed when the Sox signed Konerko because Derek Lee was a cheaper option, is upset about talk of money. Most of baseball's moves these days are based upon money. Get used to it. You are way overreacting to a guy who just got back from a surgery in a week. I'm not overreacting. I like Dunn on the Sox. The Sox overpayed, but that's fine by me.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 07:26 AM) All kinds of teams that expect to be competitive leave room in their budget to make additions at the trade deadline. Any team looking to acquire Dunn would most likely not need to have $14 million in cash to deliver to him in a suitcase immediately. Most likely, they would take on about $5-6 million this year, which might have been left open in the budget, or resulted in an increase in ticket sales, or borrowed from another budget, etc. Yes, they would be required to pay Adam Dunn some $42 million over the next 3 years as well, but they very well have room for that in their budget because they haven't committed much in terms of payroll over the time period. And yes, the White Sox might even be required to throw in some money, but if it means getting out from a contract that is no longer seen as prudent within the makeup of the roster or direction the organization wishes to go in over the next three years, than it would indeed make sense rather than pay a player when the team would most likely not be competitive. I understand what you are saying in many of these posts. But you seem to take an incredibly simplistic view of the finances of a major league baseball team, especially considering some of the things organizations have done in recent years (including the one you are a fan of). And instead of realizing that the resources and assets of MLB teams are often very complex, you choose to view payroll budgets as some giant piggy bank which is broken open at the beginning of every season. For someone who claims to be an accountant, I just find the fact that you have that viewpoint incredibly unreasonsable, and difficult to comprehend. At the end of the month Dunn will be owed $11,666,667 this season, and $42 million the next 3 years. Please just name a team that would be willing to take him and his contract right now for A) something worthwhile and then give me the teams that would just take the contract. People are talking firesales here, not me. I don't think there will be one. But there is no team that would take Adam Dunn and his contract this afternoon off KWs hands unless they received some significant financial aid, and as I have stated, that makes zero sense for the White Sox.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 24, 2011 -> 07:20 AM) The Sox are tied for 29th in MLB, a half game better then the lowly Mariners. If this keeps up, think of the draft pick they will have.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 07:50 PM) If Adam Dunn became available today. There would be a bunch of teams that would chase after him. Heck we are playing one right now that I would bet on. Not with Victor Martinez on their team.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 07:29 PM) Yeah, they'll win next round. I'd be very surprised if the Bulls were to beat Boston or Miami in the Conference Finals though to be honest after watching these 4 games. This team needs better perimeter shooting, and more specifically, a 2 guard who can create for himself. Such things can be found, and I could see the Bulls winning title(s) if they do. But not right now, there are a lot of weaknesses on this team offensively that the process of being exposed has already begun on. Or this series can be used as a learning experience. I doubt the Bulls will continue to shoot so poorly and maybe they can figure something out with the way Indiana is playing them because everyone will play them that way and will only be better. I truly believe this is good experience for the Bulls. They will be confident if they don't play their best they will still be in the game but not. cocky. You have to know how to win close games.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 07:07 PM) Have you seen some of the offenses around MLB this year? There would be 10 teams that would claim Adam Dunn on waivers. I'm not asking what other teams could possibly use him, I'm just asking you to name one that you could make a reasonable assumption would willing to add his contract right now. Not many teams admit they left at least $14 million in the bank before the season started.

It seems the Sox have a real bad streak every year, even in 2005 when their huge lead was cut to game 1.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 02:09 PM) If you worked for a minor league team and KW Jr. asked for something that wasn't a reasonable request, would you feel comfortable saying no to him? Yes I would, but I'm married to a Labor and Employment Attorney so I think anyone would mess with me.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 06:50 PM) I don't understand this. It's April. Do you want a season from hell and no fun baseball this summer? I really think they should fire KW or Ozzie right now. I mean, unless they don't want to eat the salaries. The month of April is now classified as a disaster. That's one month of the season. Teams have fired guys in April before. I guarantee you Ozzie wouldn't be surprised if he got canned. He knows the drill. The Sox fired Gene Lamont 31 games into 1995 with an 11-20 record after back to back division titles. The problem is they replaced him with Terry Bevington. If the Sox have someone better than Ozzie available to take over, fine, but if its just another organizational guy, why bother?

QUOTE (Real @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 06:21 PM) Rios has a shoulder injury btw, Rongey mentioned it a couple days ago, he's trying to play through it. I don't think he said exactly what kind of injury it was, just said shoulder Really, because the reports have been his toe has been bothering him and has been a problem for 4 or 5 years. If he's beat up enough where he can't perform, its time to DL him.