Dick Allen

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 02:36 PM) Can anyone in this f***ing bullpen come in and not give up runs..............ANYBODY! f*** I have had it .......KW needs to face the f***ing music also on this BS! Hawk said KW was on top of it. I guess that means more Randy Williams.

I will tell you one thing, I will not be meeting the deadline for playoff ticket money on Sept. 2.

Anyone who thinks just adding a healthy Jake Peavy to this team and bringing up a couple of minor leaguers and they will be WS contenders next year, probably should go live in Amsterdam. At least the Sox braintrust can see who is mailing it in right now and lack the stones to contribute to a real contender. Hopefully they will do something about it besides make excuses.

Haven't we been told its nearly impossible to sweep a major league team even if you win the first 2 games of a 3 game series?

Williams is really good.

I predict Jose pitches well tomorrow.

I don't know if this was mentioned before but this game was lost when Rios didn't take 3rd when Quentin was thrown out at the plate. I'm still trying to figure that one out. Apparently, Rios' baseball instincts are lacking.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 10:05 PM) This beautifully sums it all up for me. It's all about sending a message. So firing a hitting coach is sending a message to the multi-millionaire players? Sorry, Walker is a well-liked guy, but firing him isn't going to make anyone hit any better. Whoever said they guaranteed the Sox offense couldn't get worse is pulling crap out of his ass. For the record, as awful as the White Sox offense has been this month and as terrible as Greg Walker supposedly has been, they are still scoring more than 5 runs a game for the month. If there is a problem, I think its with the advanced scouting. These guys sometimes have no clue at the plate especially late against relief pitching. I think they have bad reports on pitchers. BTW who on the White Sox is totally underachieving overall at the plate? Dye perhaps, but he was great earlier, did Walker just get stupid? Quentin? He was hurt, and of course his near MVP cannot be credited in anyway to Walker just his struggles, but its still better than he did in Arizona.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 10:21 PM) Typical Sox case of Murphy's Law regarding Peavy. We acquire him thinking we can keep it close until September and bam we go 3-3 versus KC and the O's at home, which was such a choke job, then play predictably bad (in terms of the bottom line wins and losses) on the road trip from hell. There is no reason to pitch Peavy the rest of the season. Why not just rest him and Buehrle for that matter, too. What is the purpose? They still have a chance. You start him now as long as its not going to endanger his health for next year hopefully to win, but if not, it can take any doubt out of his mind for next year, get some of the rust off and get him acclimated to the league and the team. The Sox had to pay him close to $4 million this season. I don't think they want to shut him down with zero appearances. I'm sure they want to use him for advertising purposes as well, and missing most of this year without throwing a pitch for the Sox would really make that difficult although I'm sure his health going forward is far more important.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 07:05 PM) What is Thome doing in this game versus CC anyway? He has 4 hits against him, all homers and Yankee Stadium is a home run paradise. Maybe a couple of guys get on in front of him at some point and he hits one in the seats.

QUOTE (Wise Master Buehrle @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 06:55 PM) Gawd I'm gone 2 minutes and Buehrle f***ing implodes. That perfect game could be one of the worst things to happen to our season.... Buerhle needs to be DFA'd or Cooper needs to be fired. But seriously, look at the lineups. There's about a 5% chance of the Sox winning this game going in.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 09:28 PM) Probably a lot of them. BS? Then why does it seem our most veteran hitters seem to always attempt to knock the ball out of park rather than string hits together? Why does this offense CONTINUOUSLY fail to score runners with as little as 0 outs (a considerable amount of time we have guys at 2nd and 3rd no outs and CANNOT score). I'm sure you'll tell me it's entirely the players' doing. Bulls***. It's been like this for years now and it's getting old. SOMEONE needs to get this through to these players; apparently Walker isn't doing it. It's not like I'm making this s*** up. I do not understand this common mentality on this board with people arguing around an argument. So basically you are convinced Walker is the best possible hitting coach we could have right now, correct? I don't know why I even bother. Always lazy excuses; never an intelligent, thought-provoking argument. Walker has been a hitting coach for a long time. Several players have come and gone. Name a few who were much better under a different coach. As I said, Swisher was moved in part because he didn't listen to the hitting coach. His dad was his hitting coach. Walker isn't going make Jim Thome a .330 hitter. As long as you have that central core of very streaky hitters, who are station to station guys, your team will score in streaks. You call my excuses lazy, if anyone is being lazy, its you. Name some hitters who where much better under someone else, and find me a better source than a poster on this board for his philosophy of "lift and pull". He's not a bad hitting coach. Konerko many thought was done in 2003 when Walker came over. Paulie gives him all the credit for his comeback which included an ALCS MVP and perhaps the biggest home run in team history in the WS. Once again, you don't want to look at the facts. If anyone's excuses for doing something are lazy or lack a thought provoking argument, its yours. You're lazy answer to my thought-provoking question of who would be a better hitter with another team received, "probably a lot of them". Wow, that's insightful. Most have been with different teams, who hasn't at least hit up to the level they hit before while taking age and injury into question, like Thome.?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 09:19 PM) And what's going on with Gordon? Dude looks lost up there now. Walker

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 09:05 PM) How can we not score off Nick Green? Walker.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 09:10 PM) You really think this experienced and talented a lineup can't learn BASICS of hitting? Because that is essentially what they "can't do" as you say. I thought this was the Majors. Sorry, Dick... but you're not going to tell me a lineup half full of veterans can't figure out how to actually hit the ball without the lift and pull approach. I don't buy that. That's nothing but a ridiculous cop out. If Walker is the problem, a new hitting coach eventually will do a better job. It's time for a damn change already. The "lift and pull" approach was some BS someone made up on this board. Walker actually is a disciple of Lau/Hriniak, but don't let the facts get in the way of a hachet job. The Texas hitting coach was the flavor of the day. Last year it was suggested the Sox go get him and pay him big money, suddenly Texas has a team with a low OBP low AVG but a lot of homers. Its the personnel. Who would be a better hitter with another team?

He's starting Saturday..........................................In Charlotte.

As long as his motion isn't screwed up by his ankle or his elbow, the benefits of having him pitch are greater than the benefits of shutting him down the rest of the year IMO even if the Sox fall far back and out of contention. Let him get his feet wet in the AL and give him some peace of mind in the offseason. If he dominates, he may be able to sell some ticket packages and earn some renewals. If Peavy really wanted to be a jackass, he could demand a trade.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 08:27 PM) Really? You think the reason there's no production is because NO ONE is listening to Greg Walker? Riiiiiight. This team has been almost offensively dead for most of... what, 5 seasons now? Especially post-ASB. Seriously, I don't partake in the Walker debacle often, but I really wish we would hire a new hitting coach. At some point someone has to be held responsible. Either trade away all these hitters who are underachieving (no easy task) or fire Walker. Something needs to change. But knowing the Sox organization, nothing will, most likely. A new hitting coach isn't going to be able to get guys to do what they can't do. Look at the Cubs. How did their change work? At one time Joe Torre was a bad manager. Then he got good players. The same goes with hitting coaches. A team that has even considered having Dewayne Wise, Brent Lillibridge and Jayson Nix leadoff, let alone actually have them lead off is lacking something other than instruction. It would be one thing if guys were great hitters that turned to garbage when they came to the Sox or were garbage with the Sox and became great hitters, but that hasn't happened.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 06:05 PM) How many players have Soxtalkers released or DFA'ed this year ? If KW listened to all the threads on this board, he would be paying about 75 guys right now. 50 to play for other teams.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 02:33 PM) Cowley is one of the best baseball writers out there. Did he tell you that?

As I've posted before, who has done much better elsewhere than he did with the Sox offensively? I'm sure Swisher will be the answer, however, one reason Swisher was let go was because he paid no attention to Walker. Name some more. Sometimes its the personnel.

QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Aug 26, 2009 -> 11:31 PM) Fire everybody (Exept Herm and Coop, obviously) Why not fire Coop? Why isn't Contreras struggling, Buehrle struggling, Dotel, Linebrink, Pena and to a lesser degree Jenks struggling and Thornton's recent struggles on him? The Sox have had several injuries, maybe they should change the trainer.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 26, 2009 -> 10:53 PM) I honestly think Carlos Torres would be destroyed too. I think the idea should be to make the kid face adversity and see how he reacts. That's something that could be done when you have given up on the season. If the Sox start Hudson, I know they have surrendered. Anytime you are fighting for your playoff life and lose a game huge, but expect it because you're starting a guy who has never pitched at that level before, is giving up.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 26, 2009 -> 10:47 PM) Why are we scared to let the kid fail? Everybody fails, it's his job to pick himseful up again afterwards. And what if he does pitch well? How pumped would we all be? The idea is to win the game, not play with a new toy. A rookie making a debut against Kansas City would be nervous. Against ARod,Jeter, Texiera, etc, in Yankee Stadium in a must win game is not how you break guys in. Maybe in the long run it won't hurt him, but it certainly is not going to help him or the White Sox.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Aug 26, 2009 -> 08:30 PM) /does math f***. If the run was unearned, you are saved, and with this team, its a great possibility.