Dick Allen

Ironic that on a board that has been b****ing for years and years about an "all or nothing approach" there's a thread about an injury to a guy who can do a lot of things being a good thing because it gives a prototypical all or nothing hitter more playing time.

QUOTE (Ozzie Ball @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 05:46 PM) While this is undoubtedly true it still makes an awful lot of sense from the team's perspective because buying production on the free agent market just isn't that cost effective. It's much more beneficial for a team in the long run to spend money on these draft picks because even if only one or two hit and become productive major leaguers you're still saving huge amounts of money over buying that production on the FA market. So I can't agree that too much money is being spent on them. And like Balta said, there's no guarantee that this saved money would be spent on bringing in veterans anyway. It depends what kind of percentage you can develop. It was well worth it for the Sox to pay Beckham the $2.6 million they paid him. The 7 figures they gave Broadway and McCollough they could have just flushed down the toilet and come out ahead. The $10 million they gave Viciedo? The jury is out on that one. Remember, it also costs the team a pretty penny to develop players.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 05:22 PM) Here's the thinking for all these unions; there's no guarantee that if you put a cap on money for draftees, the owners will take those moneys and reinvest them in veterans. It's just as likely that the owners will institute a cap and will therefore put somewhat less money in to the players overall. You're right, there isn't. But there is a guarantee that any money some 17 year old high school catcher gets, the guy in the union won't be seeing.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 11:31 AM) Hitters hit better at home and pitchers seem to pitch better at home...maybe that is what home field advantage means but I don't know. Floyd is a flyball pitcher pitching in a bandbox and has an ERA 3.00 a game lower at home than on the road. I remember reading an article on amphetimine usage in major league baseball. The article basically said usage was rampant and with it now being tested for, one of the effects could be better home records for teams as they will be sleeping in their own beds etc. and the road teams wouldn't be quite as alert.

QUOTE (shakes @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 11:17 AM) You're not alone.... .....I'm sure Josh still has his. There will be several authentics on clearance at the next Soxfest.

Contreras looked like he did when he returned from the minors. His stuff is still there, he right now is at the point when he was originally supposed to return. If he works quickly, he'll be fine. When he starts to dawdle, bad things follow. He's a far better option right now than Hudson, Garcia or Torres.

I've been banging the drum for slotting for a long time. I have no idea why the union would oppose. Its more money for established players. If you draft a HS kid, he should be your property through his college days. Trading draft picks should be allowed. A world wide draft makes some sense but I think that will wait. It has to happen. Too much money is being given to guys who will be busts, and believe me, the majority of the guys that got over $1 million will not be productive major league players ever.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 01:04 AM) Razor Shines says hi. Razor was a good 3rd base coach. Unfortunately in 2007, he was pretty lonely.

Ozzie on the Sox: ''We have to remember our ballclub in the beginning of the season was not a good one,'' Guillen said. "With all due respect, [early in the season] we've got [bartolo] Colon and [Jose] Contreras down [with injuries]. We've got Josh [Fields], Brian [Anderson], [Dewayne] Wise playing. I mean, please. ''But in the meantime, if I got a bet in the American League Central, I will take a good chance on my ballclub. Very good chance. Interesting. We always knew he thought Anderson sucked, but Fields and Wise?

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 18, 2009 -> 09:52 PM) Alexei is going to play himself out of this organization. You never hear Hawk this vocal about someone's effort. He's been on him for a while. His days as the White Sox SS are numbered. He has been sleepwalking through this game.

QUOTE (Hanky Panky @ Aug 18, 2009 -> 09:50 PM) Rusty Kuntz should be pronounced "c***s" I was a little kid when he played for the Sox. That's how I pronounced it.

Alexei should have been riding pine for his latest mental screw up. However, Lillibridge playing would just make a bad situation worse. I thought last year Alexei showed a pretty high baseball IQ. This year, it sometimes seems like he just started playing a couple of hours before the game.

I'm glad Ozzie left Freddy in to get a win................Oh wait

I don't know how giving a guy who has never pitched above college $15 million and about 50% more than anyone in that same situation has ever received a win, but I'm glad he signed. I wonder if he'll live up to the hype.

KW says underachievers, per the Tribune: By Dave van Dyck Rain was falling as U. S. Cellular Field, delaying the start of a White Sox homestand Monday night against Kansas City. General manager Kenny Williams got the evening off to a pointed start by criticizing his team after a 3-3 road trip to Seattle and Oakland. "I'm not happy with the road trip," Williams said. "We lost two games we should have won, which [would put] us in first place by a half game. We've thrown away about a dozen games this year, where we would be where I thought we would be, which is in first place and in a good position "But we deserved what we got. I'm not happy with a lot of what I see. We're underachievers."

QUOTE (jphat007 @ Aug 16, 2009 -> 05:55 PM) It was either Linebrink, Pena, or Jenks. No good choices, but Jenks was the best of the 3. Exactly. If any of the other guys were brought in and runs scored, people would wonder where was Jenks.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 16, 2009 -> 05:53 PM) What are his records in those situations? I don't know, but its probably not as bad as everyone thinks. If it was, Jenks wouldn't be the folk hero he is around here. I think the Sox need to send Jenks away, but I don't think they could get much for him. I wonder if he'll be non-tendered.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Aug 16, 2009 -> 05:51 PM) He wouldn't have caught that unless he was lucky. He's not tall enough to make that leap. If he was at the wall, he wouldn't have had to leap.

Jenks has appeared in 263 major league games. 102 of those in non save situations.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 16, 2009 -> 05:47 PM) He usually doesn't pitch in a game like today. Ozzie did this on a rarity. He's a pitcher. If the game goes 15 innings, you can't put him in? That's ridiculous and I stand by my statement. If Bobby Jenks can only pitch in save situations, he shouldn't be on the roster, not with the contract he has.

QUOTE (TheHolyBovine @ Aug 16, 2009 -> 05:43 PM) Because clearly spending money on the bullpen has worked so well for us up to now. It has. Linebrink and Dotel are a lot better than the minor leaguers KW trotted out there in 2007.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 16, 2009 -> 05:42 PM) Ozzie managed against the book and it hurt him. Don't use your closer in non-save situations on the road. If Jenks can't pitch in a tie game, he shouldn't be on the roster.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 16, 2009 -> 05:41 PM) Sox always play terrible in Oakland. Itd have been great if the Sox won all 3, but 2 out of 3 is the next best scenario. Its seems every time the Sox are involved in a 3 game series and win the first 2, we could copy and paste your post, just editing the opponent. They need some sort of mental stimulation for these games. 2 out of 3 is good. 3 out of 3 is better.

Jenks may be 22 for 26 in save opps, but he's having a horrible season. I really wonder if he has much trade value at all. Who is going to want to pay him what he would get in arbitration?

They actually considered walking Pods to get to Beckham.