Dick Allen

A blogger had the idea of a 3 way trade between the Sox, Padres and Cubs. Since Peavy would go to the Cubs, if you were KW, would you trade the same package, although if Broadway was involved, it would have to be tweaked, and get Zambrano instead?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 11:08 AM) Thats means McGuire, Bonds, Palmeiro, etc will all get in, which I dont think will happen. Sosa cheated and got caught with a corked bat, and he is one of the more obvious juicers in the game. I dont think he would get writer's votes, nor the vets. Listen to Hawk and all the old players talk about corking bats. Its been quite common and they all laugh about it. Personally, I think Sosa juiced, but if they are going to hold suspicion against him instead of proof, I find it very sad. Bonds and Palmiero tested positive. McGwire used creatine and probably steroids, but he didn't hit 600 homers.

Unless there is something that nails him for steroid use, he has to be a first ballot guy. He won't be, and will probably have to wait a while, but you supposedly are innocent until proven guilty in this country, although if you played in the current era, you are quilty until proven innocent. The HOF is loaded with guys who used PED's. Maybe not steroids but other things.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 09:27 PM) One wonders why the Expos ever traded him in the first place. He was very wild, and was getting older for a prospect. He struggled initially in Seattle. The White Sox actually had a trade worked out for him in the early 90's right before he really took off. It was so close they had a jersey with his number hanging in the clubhouse. Unfortunately, it fell through.

QUOTE (robinventura23 @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 07:54 PM) Congrats to him. We won't see another 300 game winner for a very long time, if ever again. It will be a while, but it will happen again. After Early Wynn got his 300th in 1963, there wasn't another one for 19 years or so IIRC. If Jaime Moyer can get 250 with the start of a career he had, someone is going to do it. If Buerhle wanted to pitch as long as Moyer has, he'd probably get there.

QUOTE (boejouma @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 01:13 AM) i would have been upset had we acquired him So would I. He would have cut into Dewayne Wise's playing time and when Quentin got back, Scotty Pods wouldn't have been able to play CF every day. I don't know what KW would have had to give up to get him, but I would imagine is at least one or two of the same guys he would have to dangle to get a legit pitcher. He was wise to hang on for that.

I heard today that the 1993 White Sox with Frank Thomas, Robin Ventura, Tim Raines...........had been shutout 7 times at the same stage. Only one less time than the current group.

My prediction for sometime in the next week to a month. Dewayne Wise will be sent down or released. The White Sox will make a big deal about how its a shame he hurt his shoulder as he was just about to take off as a player. Like a guy with Wise's track record is going to hit .300 with 25 homers.

AJP vs. LHP,Fields, Wise, Beckham playing his first game, Nix. Those are your 5-9 hitters in today's game. It should surprise no one they had trouble scoring.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 04:28 PM) And thats Kenny's fault because? A loss is a loss to me, but what is Kenny's fault is his preaching about speed and OBP and then building a roster that really doesn't fit that. I really thought they would be in first place at the end of this homestand. They still might, but 3 out of 4 lost to Oakland at home is demoralizing.

QUOTE (TitoMB345 @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 03:16 PM) 28.57% of our losses have been via the shutout.. EPIC. Would it have made it a lot better if the score was 7-1 today?

Beckham is #15, just like a certain 1972 AL MVP

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 12:09 PM) Yeah, it just works the other way. If you do this in two games: Win 10-2 Lose 2-1 Your run differential is +7, or +3.5 per game. That would result in a really good final record, according to pythag. But in reality, if you do the above two games over and over, you are just a .500 team, thus UNDERperforming the expectations of pythag. If on the other hand, you do this: Win 2-1 Lose 10-2 You are -3.5 per game, and pythag will say you should be a crappy team. But if you do this as a pattern you will be at .500, and BEAT expectations. So in conclusion, if your theory is that the way the Sox play makes them look like overperformers, then it is because we are doing the latter example, not the former. won 17-3, lost 20-1 -5 run differential but 1-1. I think it really hard to judge a manager by how he does vs. that theory because every game is different. I really wonder what the total game differential would be if you took the team that the supposed top manager had and replaced him with who is perceived to be the worst. It probably wouldn't be all that much if anything. You're pretty much as good as your players. Most of the guys at the top of the list have managed some bad teams with bad results. Give Ozzie Guillen Erstad leading off with Andy Gonzalez in the line-up and a gas can for a bullpen, he'll lose 90 games. Give him legit players and a lights out bullpen he can win it all. The same goes with everyone on the list really. Obviously everyone will have guys they prefer. I'm not an Ozzie guy, but Tony LaRussa managing the Sox isn't going to make them win 100 games. The results would probably be about the same. One thing Ozzie does better than most is protect his bullpen.

Corky is going to be in AAA at best no matter what happens. Maybe he thinks Castro is an injury waiting to happen so he accepts assignment. I would imagine his agent has called every team to see who is interested and they can look at their catching situation. It more than likely 2009 is the Corkmeister's last season as a player, and chances are he's had his last major league at bat.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 07:09 AM) Was there any reason given for pulling Anderson from the game yesterday? I think he was either hurt or sick. When he was standing on second he hunched over for a while.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 11:02 PM) That's temporary, pending our FA signing of either Holliday or Bay. I would love the Sox to sign Holliday. If Olney is correct and he's "only" going to get 3 years at $10-12 million, the Sox money is just as good as anyone else's. Its just with Boras there would be so many other things like out-clauses that could make it a moot point.

I'm pretty convinced every major offensive player on Birmingham except for Danks could match or beat his current product if they played for Charlotte.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 10:55 PM) Reds passed him up for Yonder. Many will always remember that unless Yonder becomes a stud. The Phillies past up Frank Thomas for Jeff Jackson a kid out of Simeon who Larry Himes and Al Goldis really wanted.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 10:52 PM) "we developed" is a very loose term here. He was pretty much a finished product coming out of college and raked since he's joined our organization. He's played, what, 65 games in our system? He did make a change in his swing in the Arizona Fall League. If that was on his own or someone from the White Sox idea, I have no clue, but after he made the adjustment scouts who were lukewarm on him, and there were several, all changed to can't miss.

The Sox called up Beckham, therefore according to Ozzie, they are in trouble.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 10:43 PM) Josh Fields only lost his job because Gordon Beckham was hitting .500+ at AAA. Hopefully Josh does what he needs to do, keeps working, doesn't get the full Anderson, and next year he's right back at 3b with Beckham up the middle somewhere. As I said earlier, Josh could have done more to keep his job, but he really lost his job because Betemit really could only DH and they aren't going to call up Beckham to not play every day and Getz and Nix are the types of guys they don't have much of in the order. Fields is the odd man out even though he's been doing better, and I thought tonight looked especially improved. Konerko isn't going to get a lot of time off. Josh will be in the majority of the time IMO when Beckham plays 2B and he may DH against certain LHP.

I think it would have been ideal for Beckham to spend this year in the minors at Birmingham and maybe get a September call-up, but he's earned this promotion and its really only about 90 days ahead of schedule, so even if he struggles a bit initially, he should be OK in the long run.

The only strange thing was it really was Betemit's inability to field at all that pretty much cost Josh Fields his every day job, although Josh could have done more to keep it, but they aren't going to call up Beckham to ride pine.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 10:32 PM) What did you call? That Beckham would replace Betemit? Or am I missing something? Yes in the game thread, but I must admit I had some info.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 10:30 PM) poor kid. i do feel bad for him. He actually looked really good tonight defensively and offensively until his last at bat and I'm obviously not a big fan.