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Dick Allen

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  1. QUOTE (Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 12:32 PM) So your objectivity in regard to Uribe IS in fact somewhat lacking. Probably, but I've always been a backer.
  2. QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 12:31 PM) Did you wear a bulletproof vest? Full body armour. The first time I met them was before that incident. I was a little leery afterward.
  3. QUOTE (DonnyDevito @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 12:30 PM) Did Juan eat the entire buffet? He does pick up every check.
  4. QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 12:26 PM) Do you hang out, or do you know him as that you saw him at the park and he signed your baseball. I've actually been out with a group including him and his brother a few times.
  5. QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 12:10 PM) You should write him, he will be touched/confused that he has a fan club. I know him.
  6. Just to say time with Uribe coming up f*** Uribe Uribe sucks What does Uribe have to do to get benched Release Uribe That should cover it.
  7. QUOTE (DonnyDevito @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 12:27 PM) Can't Frank Thomas ever be happy? He's been living in $7 million mansions for decades. Can't he ever just STFU for once and do what's best for the team opposed for himself? That's the one thing I'll remember about the Big Hurt...he was selfish. And that's probably why he never won a ring. Kenny made those comments about Frank Thomas for a reason. He has a 2005 WS ring.
  8. QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 11:24 AM) Bonds being unemployed has nothing to do with his talent. Exactly, and Piazza wasn't exactly stellar during his DH stint. The other thing is teams that sign him will only be on the hook for the pro-rated minimum, which the other two would never play for. If Frank still wants to play, I'm sure he'll have an opportunity.
  9. QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 09:37 AM) They both f***ed this up. Cabrera didnt run the batter back far enough before the first throw, and Uribe ran him too far after the exchange. You always run the batter back to the back he previously occupied, not towards the base he is trying to steal. The blame is 50% for both of them. LMAO. So you're saying Cabrera f***ed up, Uribe shouldn't even have been running him back to second, and then blame Uribe who was throwing the ball to second with Crede there to tag the runner out, but Cabrera intercepted the ball. Why do I have the feeling if Uribe went 4-4 with 4 homers, you would find a few things wrong with them.
  10. QUOTE (max power @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 11:13 AM) That all makes perfect sense from the blue jays prospective. What I don't understand is why you fault frank so much for being pissed off about it and doing something about it-forcing the blue jays to make a move. Because he signed the contract. The Blue Jays paid him $9 million before he ever played 1 game for them. If you're strickly a DH, pushing 40, have a $10 million option that kicks in with plate appearances, you should probably be aware that if you aren't hitting for s***, the leash is probably going to be a little shorter than normal. Of course, this is Frank Thomas we are talking about. He didn't even realize Jim Thome coming to Chicago was the end for him, and then he doesn't answer his phone and b****es that KW left the news on a voice mail.
  11. QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 11:02 AM) Well, it's still basically 2 seasons. If he plays this year, he won't get any more than $18.2 mil, just a small part of that will be paid by another team, if I understand it correctly. If he could get the Blue Jay money and sign a completely new deal, then I'd agree, but it doesn't work that way. I understand that, but he also could spend the rest of the summer at the beach.
  12. QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 11:04 AM) If the Jays would have come out and admitted they didn't want the option to vest, so they were going to bench him, fine. But don't make a bs excuse and say they are benching him because they feel they have a better lineup without him. Stairs, at this time, appears to be the better option, at least temporarily, which, if Frank kept his mouth shut and acted like a member of a team, probably would have eventually realized. Frankly, no pun intended, I wouldn't want to be on the hook for $10 million next year, especially if he has nothing left, which is always a possibility at this stage. At the very least, he's probably not a $10 million player performance-wise in 2009, but now he can make his own deal.
  13. QUOTE (max power @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 10:56 AM) I know. It makes so much more sense to pay him not to play on their team. Who are they going to use that roster spot on that is better than frank? Frank didn't want to be there anymore, so the Blue Jays are going to pay him their contractual obligations and let him either go home and relax or find a team he would rather play for. They will have paid him $18.2 million. Not bad.
  14. QUOTE (max power @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 10:56 AM) I know. It makes so much more sense to pay him not to play on their team. Who are they going to use that roster spot on that is better than frank? Maybe we can take up a collection for the Big Whiner here's his contract details, basically the Blue Jays are paying him $18.2 million for 1 season and 60 ABs and people think he's being screwed: Thomas gets a $9.12 million signing bonus that is payable in January, a $1 million salary next year and $8 million in 2008. The deal includes a $10 million vesting option for 2009 that would become guaranteed if Thomas has 1,000 plate appearances in the next two seasons or 525 plate appearances in 2008.
  15. QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 11:43 AM) The Jays, John Gibbons, and JP Ricchardi have been up to this sort of bs for a few years now. Ricchardi has gone to the media about several players, including AJ Burnett, basically saying he needs to pitch through pain. Frank doesn't feel he is entitled to it because he is Frank. He feels he is entitled to it because he has held up his end up the deal. He's been healthy, he's produced, and that is what the contract is structured under- those assumptions- that if he was healthy and producing, the option would be in the interests of both parties. And now that he has started slowly, the Jays aren't sure they want to pay him next year under the terms of that option, so they bench him. Why the hell do you think they told him the benching might be "indefinite"? Who the hell tells a player he may be benched "indefinitely"? They knew how he would react- how any player of his stature and accomplishments would react- and used that as an excuse to then release him. What is indefinite? It could be 2 games, it might be 20. I seriously doubt he was just going to take up a roster spot and get paid $8 million to occassionally pinch hit. If that was Toronto's plan, its not a bad job. Frank will be 40 in a couple of months, isn't it a possibility that he may be at the end of the line anyway? If you were running the Blue Jays would you just keep sending him out there doing nothing when you had guys on the bench who could produce, and then be on the hook for $10 million with a perhaps washed up almost 41 year old in 2009? Like the poster above stated, maybe Stairs breaks his leg tomorrow. He was under contract for this season. He can cry to the Blue Jays all he wants, but he shouldn't have gone to the media, and he shouldn't have blown off his teammates after they won a game where Frank's replacement reached base 3 times. Riccardi going to the media about players is wrong, yet Frank crying to the media about being benched isn't?
  16. QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 10:30 AM) Well, I have never been a fan of Frank's antics, but that also doesn't mean the guy shouldn't be upset for being benched. How many other first ballot HOF'er's wouldn't be pissed if they were benched for starting slowly a year after hitting 25 homers and driving in 90? And especially when whether or not an option vests is affected by being benched? I don't excuse the Jays for making an offer to him to lure him to Toronto, only to then decide to bench him to avoid fulfilling their end of the bargain. They didn't bench him because they aren't scoring runs right now. They benched him because he looks a bit old and a bit slow, and they don't want to pay him $10 million next season. That's all there is to it. And so their solution is to say 'Frank, you're benched, maybe indefinitely'. What? That's bs, and I don't blame Frank one bit for being pissed off about it. If I had performed up to what was expected of me, and was on target to reach some performance bonus, but was artificially disallowed to reach that bonus by my employer, I would be pretty damned pissed myself. I wouldn't be so hard on the Jays if they didn't have a history of this kind of nonsense, but the fact is, they do. If they have a history of it, why would Frank have agreed to the contract? BTW, they paid him for for 2007 and 2008 than any other team would have. While I'm sure there is some motivation with the option, the fact that they benched him so soon tells me they still think they can win and need production now. Benching Frank after 200 AB would have also accomplished their goal if it was to make sure the option didn't kick in. Frank still would have had a shot. They just wanted him to earn the $10 million contract for next year. Evidently, Frank feels he's entitled to it just because he's Frank Thomas.
  17. QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 10:27 AM) The guy was benched for 2 games out of 16. 2 games. There is no way you can say with any degree of certainty that Frank was going to get his hot and start smoking the ball and get his at bats, and you also cant say that he was going to stay benched "indefinitely" and watch the option pass him by. This entire situation was escalated by Thomas bringing it to the media and acting like a baby, and now he is being paid to stay away from the Jays. Exactly. How can anyone say the Jays mistreated him? He now can go to any team and have them pay him the minimum while he collects the rest of this year's salary from Toronto. He's just not going to get a chance at the $10 million option anymore, which seems to be more Frank being about Frank and not the Blue Jays, which isn't new. Robin Ventura had a scrape with Frank once about basically the same subject, substitute White Sox for Blue Jays.
  18. QUOTE (max power @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 10:13 AM) What are you talking about? His mouth didn't cost him any money. They were going to bench him to ensure he didn't get that option. He didn't have a choice. So they would have just sat him the rest of the season? He was still going to play, just not everyday. If he started to get hot, he would have played. There isn't 1 MLB team that would take his contract. Nobody want to be on the hook for $10 million with him next year. His only hope of having that option kick in was with Toronto, but as KW has so perfectly described him, the man is an idiot. Maybe he's a nice guy, he certainly was a HOF hitter, but he is dense. His best option would have been keeping his mouth shut and working hard waiting for his next opportunity. Toronto is trying to win. If Frank were to get hot he would have stayed in their line-up. Now some team will give him the minimum and he'll have nothing for next year.
  19. QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 10:05 AM) wow whats with all the frank hate today? yeah he's had a temper throughout his career, fine. but i dont get how people can look at this situation and not think he got screwed. he made valid points - why haven't Sheff, Ortiz been benched huh? they're playing just as badly. you just dont bench a guy indefinitely after 16 games just because he's starting slowly. and frank ALWAYS starts slowly. He didn't care that they won yesterday. He didn't even celebrate with his teammates. He said he didn't want to be there anymore. Guess what, he got his wish. I'd like somebody to pay me $8 million to do nothing and have people go on and on about how the entity paying me is screwing me. The guy is a great hitter, at least was. Maybe he still has it, I'm sure someone will give him a shot. But his crying is as legendary as anything else in his career at this point. Kudos to an organization who wasn't going to let it infect their clubhouse. They'll eat this year's money and be done with him. If he still can hit like you think he can and he thinks he can, he would have eventually have received the opportunity to show that again and would most likely have been able to get that $10 million option to kick in. His mouth cost him some money. I for one, applaud it.
  20. Frank's legendary pouting got him unemployed. Kudos to the Blue Jays for cutting his ass. No one is bigger than the team. For those of you who think,"poor Frank", the Blue Jays are still on the hook to pay him to do nothing or play for another team looking for a crybaby DH. The team made a stand. Putting up with Frank's BS would have just cost them more problems down the road. Now he'll be someone else's problem, but you know one thing, if he outperforms what he's being paid, he will moan. If he gets his butt sat down because he's stinking up the joint, he will moan. He will cry about his paycheck until the day he's no longer playing, and even then he may do some more moaning. Just hit the ball and shut your mouth. Evidently, Frank didn't want to be there anymore, or they called his bluff, per ESPN: Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi told ESPN's Peter Gammons that the release of Thomas was "by mutual consent. He doesn't want to be here if he's not going to play much, and we don't want him to be unhappy. He handled it with class, and I appreciate that."
  21. QUOTE (Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Apr 19, 2008 -> 08:07 PM) Juan Uribe. Let's take off the soft gloves here. While today's game would have still been a loss without Uribe's rundown gaff, it would only have been 2-0. For a solo homer happy team, that is a reasonable gap. Uribe pluggers justify him playing because of his defense. But once Uribe's defensive brainfarts start creaping into the picture, he is worthless. He is not a major league hitter. Except for a nice hot streak for his first month in a sox uniform, he has never proven to be a major league hitter. Part of being a major league baseball player is being able to hit consistently. While Juan is consistent, it is consistently bad. Pop ups, swinging for a 700 ft homer, stirking out on pitchs that he could not hit if he was swinging a door, it is embarassingly bad. Could letting Pablo and Alexei split time at 2B be that much worse? Certainly any alleged defensive deficit could be made up with actual offensive production. And while having a $5 million playing sitting on the bench may not be cost effective, think of the money the Sox would save on food if they just released Uribe today. It wasn't Uribe's gaffe. Its on Cabrera. Uribe was throwing the ball to Crede at 2nd, Cabera, who already blew it by not running the guy back to first, cut the ball off and missed the tag. He screwed it up twice.
  22. QUOTE (max power @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 04:44 AM) I thought thome did have a similar option, was doing about as much as frank, but most importantly is still playing. No, his option has nothing to do about ABs this year. Its a team option which supposedly part would be picked up by Philadelphia. There's been plenty of b****ing about Thome since he's been here though. One other thing, you would never see Thome act like Frank is right now, no matter what. Sorry Frank, you make $10 million a year and happen to be stinking the place up. BTW Stairs was 2-3 with a walk in a win taking his place.
  23. QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Apr 19, 2008 -> 07:40 PM) look at our record at this point last year, after 17 games, we were 9-8, this year we're 10-7 1 game better, don't get too excited for this years team just yet, with the way our offense is resembling 2007, this could be a long year. I read a couple of weeks ago the White Sox were actually above .500 last April. I didn't remember it like that, but it pretty much fell apart quickly after that. It is early, but this team does have a lot more life than last year's version. They might not win 95 games, but at least they will be worth watching this summer.
  24. QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Apr 19, 2008 -> 07:29 PM) The others players have actually contirbuted something at the plate this season, unlike Uribe. Thats the difference. He's had a couple of big hits this season, and contributed more than most defensively. He also hit one ball hard tonight, which not everyone in the line-up could say.It just amazing and silly when a team scores no runs and gets 3 hits that every other post is about Uribe. Maybe the "upgrade" at SS KW acquired who cost 3 runs tonight could get a little blame. Or the fact that 4 guys other than Uribe, in the line-up tonight are hitting below .200. Or maybe give the $56 million pitcher some grief. I would like to know from all who bash Uribe after every loss, exactly how many more games they would have won up until now with Ramirez? playing second? Its a serious question.
  25. QUOTE (Wanne @ Apr 19, 2008 -> 07:12 PM) How long are they going to give Uribe a pass?!? This is pissing me off. And sans last night...our 3-4 needs to get their heads outta their asses... What did Uribe have to do with the loss tonight? It wasn't like everyone else was tearing it up.

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