Dick Allen

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 02:07 PM) Could you? Why would you assume that Kenny Williams turned down better players in a trade than what he got back from Philly? The guy was, and is, hurt. The whole Sox fan base knew that a starter was getting dealt this fall, and they found someone stupid enough to take Garcia without giving him a physical, while receiving a couple of good prospects in return. Like I said I know that everyone thinks we have to do this RIGHTNOW because in some fantasy world all of these teams are offering all of these awesome players for our broken down pile of s***. It doesn't work that way. If Kenny Williams had gotten some incredible offer that would set the team for 2008 and beyond, he would have done it already. He has already proven that by executing the ballsy McCarthy trade. Dispite the popular opinion he isn't borderline retarded, and he isn't going to make a trade, just to make a trade. He has to wait until he gets a good offer, not just an offer, before he does anything. If he does something stupid the local fan base and media will turn on the Sox, just like they have done many times before. I think he does have to do something right now because his team is in free fall. 1. If he's trying to salvage this season, we have been waiting for a team to get hot for about a calendar year now. Its probably not happening, and change would be a good thing. 2. If he's looking to deal, the more teams in contention and the longer a team would have a guy like Buerhle would only increase his value. I think KW could get something good for Buerhle right now. He probably could get something halfway decent for Dye as well. He could also save money. Who knows maybe the savings would allow him to bring Buerhle back after the season. I've been a season ticketholder for a long time. If the Sox are going to lose, I'd rather see younger players out there than veterans playing out the string. Barring an unbelievable hot streak and a playoff berth this season, the ticket base is going to take a beating this offseason. You may as well cut your losses and prepare to get good again as quickly as possible.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 12:04 PM) That's the fun part, Kenny is making a decesion by not putting the farm up for sale after the first week of not having any rain. He understands that you can't portray panic to your fanbase and expect them to show up anymore. Kenny Williams gets it. Why would trading a successful starting pitcher for a bust like Floyd plus a AA pitcher in the offseason be OK then? Leaving everything status quo or bringing up more guys who can't play from Charlotte will do just as much damage to the fanbase if not more if it doesn't work than at least trying something. Not dealing with reality and thinking the White Sox still have a realistic shot at the postseason with the current roster isn't "getting it" IMO. Getting it would be realizing the current team isn't good enough. For some reason or another, the performance you expected out of certain players isn't going to happen. The sooner KW gets this, again my opinion, the better for future seasons. We have been waiting for this team to get hot for a long, long time now.

At least its better than the slogan for the team on the other side of town. "same s***, different year"

Freddy's MRI today showed fraying of the rotator cuff and a problem with the labrum.

The offense sucks, but Eaton has thrown a few good games this season.

QUOTE(spiderman @ Jun 11, 2007 -> 07:53 PM) Correction - Vazquez is not awesome. He has very good starts, and starts, not so good. He's a 3rd or 4th starter. He's the highest paid pitcher in White Sox history.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 11, 2007 -> 07:51 PM) How can you not walk Howard there? I applaud Ozzie for making the sane decision. He pitched to Aaron Rowand. THE Aaron Rowand.

I like this move by Ozzie.

Javy Vazquez is awesome. I'm surprised he doesn't win 20 every year.

Dye is just brutal right now.

QUOTE(spiderman @ Jun 11, 2007 -> 07:27 PM) I hope we can still work out a 3 or 4 year deal for Buerhle. If we don't keep the one strength on our team, starting pitching, we are not going to be competitive in the AL Central. I would hope that they would try again before they decide to move him. I know he can get us back nice prospects, or players on the verge of the majors, but we're not going to win anything with kids in our rotation in the AL. Buerhle isn't going to take a 3 or 4 year contract IMO. Think 5-7 years with big money. The Sox don't go that long with pitchers. It really is a pretty good policy.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 11, 2007 -> 07:26 PM) He came out and said "blame me. I put this team together." Sounds like the opposite of what you are asying The sooner he recognizes this team simply isn't good enough, the better for the future of this franchise. If he thinks this team is good enough to go on a 30-5 run or something like that, the Sox may suck for a while.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 11, 2007 -> 07:15 PM) Been meaning to ask you DA....what's your thoughts on if it's better for this team to lose right now over the next few weeks in order to convince KW and Ozzie that this team sucks? They aren't going to catch Cleveland and they have a few teams to jump over for the wildcard. I don't think they can win unless a miracle happens and the bullpen can get someone out. I have a feeling KW is not going to want to admit failure however. Buerhle should bring a nice package. Dye could bring something back as well and save money. They actually would have more money to throw at Buerhle this offseason the sooner they deal him. If he's serious about being here that is. I wonder how its going to go over on this board when he signs with the Cardinals and at his introductory press conference says St. Louis is the place he always wanted to be.

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Jun 11, 2007 -> 07:08 PM) looking Forward to Javy giving up 2-3 runs tonight and getting blamed for the loss Or his typical 6 inning 4 or 5 runs with 7 k's and people talking about how great he pitched. Sutcliffe believes he tips his pitches. He was calling location by his wind up.

If firing Walker will fix the offense, shouldn't the Sox fire Cooper to fix the bullpen, and fire KW to fix how the roster is put together, and fire Ozzie to fix how games are managed and players are used? I'm all for making changes as much as anyone, but I still don't think how making Walker the scapegoat is going to get this team going. I don't see how its going to make the offense any better. I've seen some of Walker's biggest critics rave about the Rangers hitting coach. The Sox got on base more times last season , hit more homers and struck out less than the Rangers with their mighty hitting coach.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 11, 2007 -> 01:10 PM) In 06, yes, by quite a bit too. 1.007 OPS last year for JD, .934 for Vlad. Too bad they will base his performance on this year and not last. His knee problem isn't going to help much either.

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 01:36 PM) The GO to the shortstop isn't any better and can actually be worse than a K with a guy on 2B. I'd rather have him put the ball in play. The SS might bobble it, or throw it away.

QUOTE(rafacosta @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 01:34 PM) He K'd...is this not worse than GO? He K'd agst a LH pitcher in a 90 mph...where is the bat speed? Nice work terrero... His swing has a tendancy to get real long. He'll K a lot when he's not going well.

I used to get excited when the Sox got the lead, but unless Buerhle can go 9, they are going to need several more runs.

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Jun 10, 2007 -> 01:28 PM) Paulie comes through with a double! the first Sox player to crack double figures in doubles. Maggs has 30. (I am not crying for a Maggs return, but if Bobby Abreu is worth $16 million with his Darrin Erstad-like numbers, Maggs is a bargain) Fields trying to put a 2 spot on the board.

KW's phone should be on fire right now, and he should be the one making the calls. His team is in freefall. I'm sure they will blame injuries when this dissappointing season comes to an end. Shocking how Erstad, Pods, Thome and Crede wound up on the DL. I would never of guessed it considering they have physical issues every season. Toby Hall goes down, and I know he's a huge part of the team. He's been back for a couple of weeks now and what does he have 2 starts? Ozuna gets hurt. I just hope when KW does the injury whine someone calls him out on it, and calls him out on his and his staff's player evaluation skills.

He's getting calls to see if he wants to take a bad contract or give the guys away. They aren't making much money baseball-wise. If his players are so coveted, why does he not make a deal? It isn't because he thinks his guys are so great they are going to go on a roll. Its because what he would get back is even bigger crap than what he'd be giving away.

QUOTE(GreenSox @ Jun 9, 2007 -> 09:10 AM) I really don't think he thought Atkins was a stud. I think he didn't know what he was doing and for some reason was hell-bent on dumping Durham (although as you said, not for salary dumping purposes). He also seemed to have convinced himself that Durham had little market value - Remember him saying to the media all that stuff about how there is no market for dumping players (something about the rules on compensation changing). He trusted Beane during that period, which is never a good idea, so he got snookered, plain and simple. Even look at last winter- did he get maximum return in young talent for Freddie Garcia? He thought and maybe still thinks Floyd is one of the top prospects in the game. Trading Durham and picking up the remainder of his contract except for the pro-rated minimum should get you a better prospect than Adkins. If not, you might as well pay the extra minimum salary and keep the draft picks. I'm sure the White Sox wound up paying Adkins more than they saved on the Durham trade for some crappy performances.

QUOTE(rudylaw @ Jun 9, 2007 -> 08:50 AM) Today is Saturday June 9th and we only have 3 more wins that the Royals. If you listen to Hawk he'll tell you,"the've got a good ballclub", so its really nothing to be embarrassed about.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Jun 9, 2007 -> 08:18 AM) wrong Barry/Berry Onan Masaoka Jon Adkins Frank Francisco (but we let him get away in Everett II) a Korean pitcher whose name escapes me, Byeong Ak- or something like that Felix Diaz Baldwin was done by then, Durham was a salary dump, Howry's arm wasn't back to 100% yet, Lofton was old We should get a good deal for Buehrle if we choose to go that route, or have no other choice If Durham was a salary dump, why did KW pick up the biggest portion of his remaining contract that the rules allow? He thought Adkins was a stud.