Dick Allen

QUOTE(WCSox @ Apr 5, 2008 -> 04:37 PM) Detroit's 'pen is going to suffer this year. At least until Zumaya is back. Zumaya if he comes back this year, won't be Zumaya.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Apr 5, 2008 -> 04:35 PM) dtrain off the hook hahaha he realyl didnt pitch that well anyways He had the Joe Cowley-like no hitter going.

The 2008 Tigers are looking a lot like the 2007 White Sox.

I ran that foul ball homer Quentin hit on TIVO about 19 times and I swear that was fair, but since no one argued it must have been foul.

Tie it up here and then let's have a battle of the bullpens.

QUOTE(almagest @ Apr 5, 2008 -> 02:32 PM) And the Red Sox have done the same and have 2 World Series titles in the past 4 years. I'm also not sure how you can take one play in one game and cite that as decisive evidence. Think what you want. Strikeouts are not productive. Runners don't advance. Runs don't score. The defense is not pressured to make a play. If a guy like Fields could cut his strikeouts to 150 in a full season, that would be 50 more times he makes contact. I'm guessing some of those times those will be hits. Some of those times runners would advance on outs he made, and sometimes he would reach on an error. I know, I'm crazy.

Fukudome looks like he's as good as was advertised.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 5, 2008 -> 11:41 AM) Nothing like comparing situational at bats vs generic outs. Keep it up, proves exactly no point whatsoever. Some of the best hitters in the MLB are high strikeout guys, including this division. Sizemore, Granderson, Thome. There is a time for situational hitting and just plain hitting. When its not a situation where you need a grounder or a SAC fly (which doesnt count as an out to the hitter btw) a strikeout is the same as any other out. There are times when groundouts are worse, and times where flyouts are worse and of course k's too. Those are SITUATIONS and each has a positive and negative outcome depending on the out. But yeah, lets keep comparing the two, because its better to make no sense than not post at all. The quote was strikeouts are the same as any other out. I took any to mean any. Silly me. Also, while it doesn't as an AB, a SF is nonetheless an out unless I really haven't been paying attention and the rule was changed. BTW, did you see how the Astros got their go ahead run baserunner on base yesterday. A groundball "out" to second, bobbled for an error. Toronto tried to play the "fantasy baseball" style not caring about strikeouts or steals or hit and runs and failed miserably.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 5, 2008 -> 10:34 AM) But better than a ground ball dp. Love apples and oranges!!! During a spring training game thread, you went out of your way to praise Fields for hitting a grounder to first that advanced a runner, and you were right. Now you think there is no difference between a strikeout and any other out?

QUOTE(daa84 @ Apr 5, 2008 -> 10:47 AM) great post...unlike yourself, so many people on here choose to ignore the hundred years or so worth of statistics that suggest that a strike out is basically the same as any other out Then don't be pissed next time there's a lead off hit and the guy bunting fouls a couple off and winds up striking out. An out is an out. Also don't be pissed with a runner at second if Juan Uribe hits a grounder to 3rd with nobody out. An out is an out. A lot more runs score and runners advance on outs that are not strikeouts than on strikeouts. We aren't even mentioning errors.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 5, 2008 -> 10:34 AM) But better than a ground ball dp. Love apples and oranges!!! How about a man on 3rd and 1 out and a strikeout?

QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 10:42 PM) See, that's the thing. Strikeouts aren't really much worse than any other out. The fact that he has good power and a decent eye largely mitigate his low average and high K rate. I'd argue that I'd much rather have a player like Fields at the plate than someone like Crede -- Crede might not strike out much but his low avg, horrible eye, and decent power all overshadow this. Next time the bases are loaded an one is out and someone strikes out, remember it is no worse than a flyball to LF.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Apr 5, 2008 -> 06:59 AM) Anyone else see that Jeff DaVanon is playing for Charlotte also; He's 34 years old. I don't think he'll ever help much in Chicago.

When you strikeout as much as Fields does, you're going to have a couple of games like these. If he's feeling sorry for himself, too bad. It also may be he's just a slow starter. He was horrid for a while at Charlotte last year too.

QUOTE(lostfan @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 02:00 PM) No... the whole point here is that Buehrle's performance last year and in the spring can justify calling it an anomaly while Contreras's performance for the last year and a half simply can't. It's been a very long time since he's shown anything. At all. I had close to zero confidence in him coming into this year and I have even less now. Ironically that seems to be his problem b/c there doesn't really appear to be anything wrong with him physically. You do realize that in the last 2 months last year he was 5-3 with a 3.76 ERA.

QUOTE(lostfan @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 01:54 PM) Buehrle's first start last season ended early because he took a line drive off his hand... didn't even matter in the end. Contreras on the other hand had an even worse outing last year than he is having now and followed it up with a season even a #5 starter would be ashamed of. You are missing my point. You say since Contreras was bad last year, and shaky his first start this year, he is done. Buerhle was bad in 2006. If his first start in 2007 was like his start this year on opening day, he would be in the same spot, and I suppose to you that is stick a fork in him done.

QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 01:49 PM) Absolutely not...This outing for Contreras is just a continuation of last year all over again. He's washed up...Buehrle was terrific last year, he gets a few passes because he recently pitched well. Count hasn't pitched well since the first half of 2006...he's done, put a fork in him. So then if Buerhle's first start last season was like his first start this season, with as awful of a second half he had in 2006, he would be done. Stick a fork in him. Your argument is beyond ridiculous. If Gavin Floyd had the same start Contreras is having today, there would be people on here that would be excited.

QUOTE(lostfan @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 01:48 PM) Yeah I guess that makes perfect sense considering Buehrle sucked so bad last year. Contreras was better than him for the second half of 2005 and in 2006. What does last year have to do with this year?

QUOTE(lostfan @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 01:45 PM) What are you talking about? If one outing is enough to say Contreras is done, and Buerhle did significantly worse, he must be done as well.

QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 01:40 PM) Bring up Broadway he cant be any worse than the Count Who is going to take Buerhle's place?

QUOTE(Bhay99 @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 12:50 PM) Well come on, you can't have your prime time .230 hitter just sitting on the bench for a guy who can actually play defense. Who do the White Sox have that is better defensive at second than Uribe?

QUOTE(daa84 @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 12:45 PM) nice non-interference interference there by polanco Did you know the White Sox drafted Polanco in the same draft and after they drafted Carrie Schueler?

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 12:35 PM) The real Joe Crede gets to go sit down again The great Josh Fields didn't exactly wow anyone with the Knights last night. 0-4 3ks and an error.

Quentin reminds me of Canseco without the roids.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 12:27 PM) Is Uribe paying your mortgage or something? It will be interesting to see when board favorites make an error if there will be 20 posts saying f*** him or he sucks or I hate him. You popped off about overreaction to a bad Gavin Floyd inning. Read the posts on 1 error,