Dick Allen

QUOTE(southsideirish @ May 30, 2007 -> 05:52 PM) If a pitcher has lost velocity you don't want to let them know it is a problem. He would never say that. I would look at their training program and who gives it to them. Maybe then we could see if there is a problem with that. The training program and how they keep themselves in shape is what has most to do with losing velocity. It is an explosive movement. They need to be in the right shape to be able to pitch. Last year Vazquez was not good. I'd still take him over McCarthy. McCarthy is an overrated piece of garbage who thought way too highly of himself. KW was pitching about the velocity about a week before the season started.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ May 30, 2007 -> 05:48 PM) So El Duque was tired? He needed a rest before the playoff run. He was great in the playoffs wasn't he? Without him we may have not got past Boston. Thank God McCarthy didn't make the roster. He is no good coming out of the bullpen. The way McCarthy pitched last year I didn't want him in there either. After seeing him pitch this year I am much happier with Vazquez over McCarthy. Good job Ozzie. McCarthy wasn't very good last year, but his ERA was lower than Vazquez's. So if he's bad coming out of the bullpen what does that make Vazquez?

QUOTE(southsideirish @ May 30, 2007 -> 05:44 PM) How did that work out? I think El Duque is putting up better numbers than McCarthy still. McCarthy is a young stud and El Duque is regressing? It damn near cost the Sox the division. El Duque finally had to be put to sleep for a while and McCarthy won some big games. Ozzie didn't want the young guy in the rotation last year either, so Vazquez gets picked up using up money that could have been spent on other things and the Sox best prospect in years goes away.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ May 30, 2007 -> 05:40 PM) We are talking about Ozzie. You think Ozzie would not play a young stud over a regressing vet? Give me an example. Show me our young stud and our regressing vet. Do you mean our mediocre young kid and our mediore vet? I think Ozzie will choose the mediocre vet because he will not make the stupid inexperienced mistake over and over again. Now please show me an example of where Ozzie did not play a young stud over the regressing vet - without that your argument is for the crapper and is nonsense. Brandon McCarthy vs. El Duque August 2005.

Why is it when the Sox hitters don't hit Greg Walker should be fired, but when the pitchers can't pitch none of it falls on Cooper?

QUOTE(southsideirish @ May 30, 2007 -> 05:16 PM) Part of the problem is that they trade young players they acquire/draft (Reed, Morse, and Olivo) and get something they need and has more valuable - a proven veteran pitcher (Freddy Garcia). Organizations view the development of players differently. The Sox seem to think of them as chips to get veterans. The Twins like to develop them and then lose them to free agency. The Sox have really struggled bringing guys up. KW would rather develop guys to use than use them to trade for high priced veterans. I just wonder if a guy like Sweeney or Anderson or even some of these pitchers would be better players if they were brought up in a different organization. Then again guys like Olivo, Reed, even Abbott regressed even farther when leaving the White Sox. All I know is when the DH went down, Brian Anderson DHd a game. When one of our bargain basement relievers couldn't throw a strike anymore he was replaced by a 26 year old AA pitcher. When the most used bench guy goes down, he's replaced by a 25 year old non-prospect. The team sets attendance records, is coming off a championship, the TV ratings are beating their crosstown nemisis, and what does KW do to ride the momentum? Sign Erstad for $1 million of course. Huge move. Give Pods $3 million and Javier Vazquez $33 million more 2 seasons before you lose control of him, and then cry about the crazy spending of others. Spend a total of $3.6 million on the entire bullpen and pronounce it one of the best in baseball. Say you need to get back to "Ozzieball" a myth btw even in 2005 and not only not improve the team speed, but actually get slower if possible. Speed, unless your name is Podsednik, does not slump.

The Sox haven't developed players like the Twins do. That's part of the problem. What I don't understand is why guys like Wilder and Schaefer, who are largely responsible for the players in the system and their development get promotions.

QUOTE(daa84 @ May 30, 2007 -> 03:08 PM) macdougal doesn't have options......so it would be moronic to just let him go....it doesn't take balls to send him down, it takes stupidity Really? He gets paid about 50% of what the entire bullpen makes. If someone wants a guy who can't throw a strike let them have him.

QUOTE(Jimbo @ May 30, 2007 -> 03:07 PM) the sox will combat this by sending down another bullpen arm.....way to shake it up we have more holes in this team that a pile of f***in swiss cheese. If you are going to preach about all the "talent" on the roster, hold them accountable. Frankly, I am sick of watching little league style control on the mound for a team that thinks its a contender.

If KW had the balls he claims he has he would send Aardsma and MacDougal to Charlotte right now.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 30, 2007 -> 03:05 PM) When it's 3 f***ing 0 just f***ing throw the ball underhand to the f***ing plate I don't think that would work either. Remember him trying to walk someone intentionally?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:11 PM) seriously, what percentage of runs in this series got on base due to a walk? I think already 4 walks have scored for garland today, at least 3 for both Jose and Danks Strikes have definitely been an issue this year. Especially with the bullpen. Even when they aren't walking guys they are getting hammered because its 2-0 or 3-1.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:10 PM) Would you rather he trotted out a member of the worst bullpen in baseball? But the baseball genius fixed a bad bullpen. Everyone throws 97.

If Fields ever gets a chance to play everyday in the major leagues, he will be in the top 5 in ks.

I'm pretty sure ARod is the only NY athlete and certainly the only Yankee who has ever stepped out on his wife. If that even is what he's doing.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:56 PM) I love to watch Ray run. Harrelson Oh, for those days. Now it takes 4 hits to score a run.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:47 PM) Someone needs to find the press conference when Ozzie was hired. How it doesnt matter who you are, you will play the game the right way or you wont play for his team. We have fielders half assing it. We have at least 2 dumb running mistakes a game. We have guys swinging for the fence not matter what the situation. Thats playing the game the right way. Lift and Pull, and Jog. tip your cap, and collect a paycheck. I swear to you this is true... Ozzie used to do the same thing down the line on routine grounders and Hawk of all people called him out on it once.

Where's this pitching depth that KW frequently brags about? The bullpen sucks and the best he can do is call up a 26 year old AA pitcher.

Are the Sox in 4th place yet? KW is the Executive of the Year, and the manager of the year should be renamed the Ozzie Guillen award. This team is put together all wrong.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ May 29, 2007 -> 07:09 PM) Now, let's see whether Young's absence will be voided with additional prospects in the coming seasons. Not in the same manner as SF, but in terms of making up for a past mistake. In 1997 the White Sox had 7 of the first 62 picks in the draft. I'm not going to hold my breath.

QUOTE(BearSox @ May 29, 2007 -> 06:40 PM) Another one of my favorites was Craig Wilson. I remember he hit a homer in his first career AB. He had/has a gigantic forehead.

Liu Rodriquez. I paid $.05 for his card at Soxfest about 5 years ago. I'm sure its worth much less now.

QUOTE(BearSox @ May 29, 2007 -> 06:20 PM) any word on the lineups? Erstad - CF Cintron - 2B Thome - DH Dye - RF Konerko - 1B AJ - C Crede - 3B Mack - LF Uribe - SS Danks Castillo - 2B Punto - 3B Cuddyer - RF Morneau - 1B Hunter - CF Redmond - C Cirillo - DH Kubel - LF Bartlett - SS Bonser

QUOTE(Al Lopez @ May 29, 2007 -> 06:18 PM) Let's go back a little further. Rich Gossage and Terry Forster for one year of Richie Zisk and the forgetttable Silvio Martinez. One of Bill Veeck's money-dictated moves, and probably the worst. Goose and Forster would have been 1 year guys as well. 1977 was a fun season. Did you know that Forster hit .576 in 1972, the year before the DH and was a career .397 hitter?

QUOTE(fathom @ May 29, 2007 -> 06:12 PM) Great bullpen and a manager who will get his starting pitcher out of the game sooner, rather than later. How is it that their bullpen is good year in and year out, when we get told putting together a bullpen is a crapshoot?