Dick Allen

QUOTE(kman @ Jan 29, 2006 -> 01:20 PM) I seriously doubt this will stick. If we as fans know pods sucks at left management has to know cf is a no no. Its not going to stick. The Score is wrong. KW said Anderson was a CF and said Owens was a CF.

QUOTE(Beastly @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 08:26 PM) Did anyone ask about the following at Q&A or, would anyone bright enough please enlighten me about what was said in that interview? How is Crede's back? Who will compete in ST for the last spot in the pen? How is Thome's back? Or just any questions about our White Sox that were important, like our veteran players, because I could care less about prospects. They don't mean a s*** to me. I hope this Anderson kid does better than when I last saw him. They really didn't mention Crede's back, but KW said Thome's back is a non-issue, that he was a lot more concerned about a couple of other guys backs which I guess would be Crede and Hermanson. As to the bullpen, KW seems to like the minor league free agents he signed, thinking one of them may be the next Kelly Wunsch, or Marte. Ozzie did say Munoz has good stuff, but no guts.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 04:43 PM) Talking ot BHAM, we had a better CF in Chris Young (duh) there daily. But when he took days off, it be Blakely in center, not Owens. Someone asked Ozzie yesterday whether Anderson would play LF or CF. KW piped right in and said CF. I think his attitude towards Owens playing CF may be a case of him wanting no part of Pods in CF. If Anderson and Owens played at the same time, I'm sure Anderson would be in CF.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 04:24 PM) The first step would be to have him actually play center. Today he expanded on it and said Owens had some sort of arm injury that has or will soon heal. They are supposedly going to stretch his arm out in spring training. KW said today that Jerry Owens is ready to play in the big leagues.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 10:07 AM) Seeing how Kenny WIlliams disliked Frank so much, it doesn't surprise me that he didn't issue THomas a courtesy call According to Kenny, he did give Frank a curteousy call. He had to leave a message, because Frank wouldn't answer his phone. Isn't it odd how Frank has found the time to attend the A's fanfest this weekend, but often had excuses to skip out of Soxfest. If he had re-signed with the Sox, chances are he would have used his current injury or recent marriage or some other excuse not to attend Soxfest. He may be a nice guy, but good riddance.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 07:57 AM) Yeah, on that "Friday Football" garbage on ESPNEWS (which I was only watching because I was at home sick as a dog), Merril Hoge said "once people see the tape on Vince Young, he will fall and fall fast.....and come April, be a 4th round, 2nd day pick". Afterwards, he had a 10 minute discussion on it too, so he was obviously serious. Comments? :headshake :rolly Young won't drop that much, but Hoge knows the game pretty well. I wouldn't be surprised if Young wound up being a guy who should have been a 4th round pick.

The other thing KW mentioned was Jerry Owens as a CF.

I was at Soxfest and can tell you KW reiterated he is not going to trade Contreras for a position player. KW also seems satisfied by the dopes he has competing for the 2nd LH reliever role. I'm going back tomorrow and may ask him if Urbina gets out of jail, if he would be interested in bringing him in. For all those wondering about a potential upper deck in RF, the so-called "home-run porch", that idea has been put to rest. Other than that, the q and a's where pretty much thank you's and softball questions, which is very understandable.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 11:05 AM) Something tells me that the only 1 of the Marlins who had to actually "Pass" his physical in that deal was Beckett. I think Lowell and Mota were basically Salary dumps, and Boston was willing to take them to get Beckett. The story was Boston didn't do any physical exams on any of the players it acquired.

QUOTE(UC76 @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 08:43 PM) I drove past the Cell today on the Dan Ryan for the first time since the green seats have been put in place. They look most excellent. It also looks like more "stuff" has been painted black (Rolling Stones pun intended) on the outfield area. All I know is that it looks friggin' sweet. I think they should paint the facades of the club level and upper deck green, and get rid of those ridiculous pinwheels they have lining the facade of the club level. They look like mints.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 08:16 AM) The thing is, he made so many comments at the wedding that clearly indicated that he knew he was done and that it was going to be HIS CHOICE was to walk away with the ring. I haven't seen him since mid November.. but at that time he was still in a ton of pain while walking without the boot... The injury isn't healed. And I think he'll crash and burn. I'm sad to say it, but that''s my prediction. I assumed everyone in the world knew Frank was done with the White Sox when the Thome trade was made and Konerko was re-signed. Apparently everyone in the world knew except Frank. Considering all JR has done for Frank, and he could have blown him off after the diminished skills clause was invoked, it was a cheap shot to lash out at him yesterday as well.

What's he complaining about when KW told him he wouldn't activate him at the end of the season? Doesn't he realize that was 4 months ago and he isn't healed yet? Doesn't he realize the White Sox won it all? Part of me really wanted to feel sorry for him that his career, at least with the White Sox, wasn't going to end how he wanted it to. But after all the comments he made, I just think he's out of line, and making a fool out of himself. I am glad he's gone. The kicker is he should be happy he's not here anymore considering he doesn't think this current team has a chance. He also complains that KW left him a voice mail instead of talking to him. Remember when he wouldn't answer KW's calls a couple of years ago? It was the offseason, and that was his right, but KW obviously called him. Hey Frank, if a talk is what you want, answer your phone.

At least they finally figured out the reason they have sucked for so long.

If a miracle occurs and Frank is able to play most of the season and puts up big numbers, when do you think he'll start b****ing about his contract?

QUOTE(fathom @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 12:27 AM) A lot of people think Thome isn't one of the best clubhouse guys in the majors, he is the best. Him and Ellis Burks have always been considered two of the best team players. Yeah, I know there's a lot of love for Frank on these boards recently, but his comments today really make me feel like telling Frank... :finger Thome has had a better year than Frank 4 out of the last 5 seasons. The only exception was last season, which wasn't stellar for either one of them. Thome has 18 less homers than Frank in 200 less games. Thome could actually go in and play first base if you needed him to. I don't see what Frank is thinking popping off about Thome. Frank better hope that his ankle holds up and Thome doesn't dominate, or he'll look like a sad fool.

KW was a jagoff when it came to Frank, but I must say he did treat him with class and respect at least publicly this year. Frank's comments are out of line, and to bring Thome into it is unfair. Frank has played 108 games the last 2 seasons combined. The White Sox medical staff obviously doesn't feel he's a good bet to play very much anymore, if he plays at all. Frank should be talking about the A's, not crying about the end with the White Sox.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 09:37 PM) Several points. e.) Once the season starts...teams may discover that they don't need as much pitching. The Orioles might trade a ton for a pitcher right now...but let's say once the season starts they discover that Mazzone is as good as advertised and somehow their staff turns into a Leo Mazzone staff. Then all of a sudden...they have no interest in pitching, and the market declines. of events. Teams ALWAYS need pitching. I really doubt the Sox would trade Contreras at the deadline if they are contending, unless he's really struggling, it would make no sense. KW already said they have to get pitching back and equal value for Contreras. This most likely eliminates any deal with the Mets.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 09:31 PM) And barely anything is known about Anderson Gomes so how can anyone say that he's a good prospect yet? Right now, he's just a prospect. As is Milledge.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 07:36 PM) There's probably a bigger gulf between being drafted highly and performing in the minor leagues than there is between performing in the minor leagues and performing in the Majors. You are right, but a guy like Patterson was taken 3rd overall. If you look at the first round of the 2000 draft, it may be one of the worst first rounds in any sport ever. The point being there was something someone saw that made these guys so desirable. High draft picks make a lot of money these days. There are a lot of guys that tear it up in the minors and are busts in the majors. I've never seen Milledge play, so I couldn't comment on him. But no matter what, I wouldn't trade a #1 like pitcher for him when I'm trying to win a championship, and it doesn't matter where this thread goes, KW wouldn't make that trade either, unless maybe in July if the Sox were out of it.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 07:27 PM) Felix Hernandez was a top prospect. Albert Pujols was a top prospect. Frank Thomas was a top prospect. Whats your point about Corey Patterson? My point is many top prospects don't pan out. Pitching wins championships. There is a far better chance Jose Contreras will outperform Milledge in the major leagues in 2006. BTW, Pujols was a 13th round pick. The White Sox wanted to draft Simeon High School star Jeff Jackson in 1989. The Phillies drafted him before the Sox had a chance to. He turned into a bust. The White Sox took their second choice, Frank Thomas.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 07:26 PM) Again, I thought to be great you would have to prove to be sucessful year after year. I guess I'm wrong though.. whoopsie. And this debate is getting pretty pointless. The same thing is being said over and over again, and it all started because the original article said the Mets would probably have to part with Milledge. It didn't even say that Milledge was involved in any potential deal, it just said that he would likely have to be. You're being hypocritical. You want Milledge because you can have him for 6 years and he is predicted to be good. Makes you wonder what the Mets are thinking if they have a superstar in the minors but keep looking for corner outfielders, even considering Sammy Sosa.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 07:21 PM) Yes, because I, unlike most Sox fans on this board, don't hate prospects, and in fact like them, especially ones that are top 10 in the league. The way I see it is we can get 1 year of Contreras or 6+ years of Milledge. Take your pick, I'd take Milledge anyday of the week. Corey Patterson was a top prospect, a can't miss guy. He turned into a guy who usually missed. I like the horse that led the White Sox to the world title.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 07:19 PM) I'm assuming you are talking about the WS, if not, sorry in advance. He had a 3.86 ERA in his only 2005 WS start. Now, thats a small sample size, yes, but that doesn't look too ace-like. (not to mention his 5.68 ERA in the 2003 WS) Well then, is Buerhle's 4.91 ERA in the World Series "ace-like"? Maybe the Sox should trade him. Using postseason stats is way too small of a sample size. Barry Bonds would have been run out of baseball before he discovered his mystery cream if postseason stats were the end all. Also, going by what you 2 guys have been saying, shouldn't Jermaine Dye be dealt soon as well? He may have an option for 2007, I'm not sure, but he has had some lean years, and if he has another one, the option won't be picked up and they will lose him for nothing.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 07:07 PM) Hey, believe what you want about prospects. Joe Borchard has the majority of the people here paranoid about prospects, and you need to get over it. And no, this trade doesn't help the White Sox at the major league level, unless you believe McCarthy will do better starting than Contreras will, which is what I do believe. In 2004, Contreras sucked in New York and Chicago. In the start of 2005, Contreras was average. In the second half of 2005, he was superb. That makes one of the best pitchers in the league? I thought pitchers had to be consistantly good to be one of the best, silly me. He sucked in Chicago too, or did you forget about that? How does it appear KW agrees with you? This is the offseason, there is no limit on when the deals can be made. Hell, spring training hasn't even started yet. If a deal with Contreras is being worked on, its going to be worked on for awhile, mainly because it will be a rather big deal for our team. But you are advocating trading him for a guy who hasn't batted once in the major leagues. At least Contreras, who was one of the 2 or 3 best pitchers in MLB from July 1st on, and started the first game in all 3 postseason series which netted the White Sox its first World Championship in 88 years has shown he can pitch well in MLB. The guy was pretty good in 2003 with the Yankees. I saw him shut down a pretty good White Sox offense late that year. Even in 2004 when his overall performance wasn't very good, he had some dominating games. It looks like he's got it together now, and should be a dominating pitcher. What happened to all the Don Cooper cures all pitchers anyway? He'll still be here. I am a little worried about the effect of no Duque, but Contreras has had a spotlight on him for a long while before he came to the US, so he should be fine.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 06:27 PM) So you won't feel bad if we keep Contreras, fail to win another World Series or even make the playoffs, and Contreras goes on to sign elsewhere once the season is over? I know it's a risk to trade Contreras but come on... No I wouldn't feel bad. That is how organizations that are going for it operate.