Dick Allen

QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:56 AM) July 31 ... I think. Yes, July 31

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:49 AM) I will be kind in my reply & give an example of your logic: A: A is a fact because I told you so. B: A is not a fact because I told you so. A: It is too a fact because you can't prove it's not. B: It is not a fact because you can't prove it is. And so A & B argue endlessly without being able to prove anything. What's the point? With respect to Moyer why was he put on waivers? To facilitate a trade to the NYY$. He was not put on waivers just to gauge interest. The two GM's had talked over the trade parameters prior to Seattle putting him on waivers. This is common sense stuff. My point was Moyer was placed on waivers and it was not in any paper or any news report. I never said waivers was to gauge interest. I'm pretty sure every GM has a pretty good idea who has interest in all their players. I will guarantee you hundreds of players have either cleared waivers or have been placed on waivers since July 31.

Hawk, who at one time was a GM was talking about irrevocable waivers the other night.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:30 AM) This is too easy If it never gets reported then what basis do you have for your statement? How do you know that Frank has been put on waivers repeatedly? Where did you get that information if it was never reported? Let's try to use common sense here. If a player is placed on waivers then all MLB teams know about it as does the player's union & player himself. There is no confidentiality agreement governing this information. So it's ridiculous to suggest ALL or even most marquee players get put on waivers & no one ever reports it. Put another way, if the NYY$ put A-Rod, Jeter, Posada, Randy Johnson, or Mike Mussina on waivers do you really believe not one NY reporter would write about it? Did you hear about Jaime Moyer being placed on waivers last week? NO. You heard he declined a trade to the Yankees, who claimed him ON WAIVERS. Most players on the 40 man are place on waivers this time of year, and its not a big deal, because for 99% of them if they are claimed will be pulled off the list.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:10 AM) I'd be willing to accept the reasoning that a team can place a player on waivers & then withdraw him before the 3 days & it never gets reported. That seems reasonable since no action occurs with respect to that player. I doubt very much that GM's do that with all their players because the player's agents would find out about it. But if the player is then DFA'd, claimed, or traded then that transaction would definitely be reported. In the case of marquee player's like Manny we've already seen that the act of a team placing such a player on waiver's gets reported. That's the main reason why I don't believe KGJ has been put on waivers. How could such an act escape reporters in NY? How could Levine be the only one to report about it? It makes no sense. Frank Thomas has been place on and cleared waivers several times. You don't read about it in the paper. If Griffey clears though, we probably will here about it in a column by Stark or Nightengale.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 08:58 AM) Here's a question for you guys: If Griffey makes it to the Sox to they put a claim in on him or just let him pass through? If they claim him they might be able to get him for absolutely no players just take on that crazy contract, also this negates any chance of another team(the yankees) making a trade for Jr. Unless they have an agreement that Cincinatti wouldn't just award him to them, I don't think KW and JR would want to take the chance of being stuck with the entire contract. In the agreed upon deal, Cincinatti was going to be paying between $13.5 to $18 million of that contract.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 08:45 AM) Im actually kind of worried that Griffey would clear waivers, and the Reds would work out a trade with someone other than the Sox. I dont think the problem for the Sox is worrying wether he will make it through waivers rather it is wether the Sox will be the one that the Reds deal with. The White Sox are the last team in line to put in a waiver claim. So the only chance they would have of acquiring him is if all the other teams passed. Considering they already had a deal agreed upon, and most other contenders would be very leery of his contract, if Griffey were to clear waivers and was going to be moved the White Sox would have to be considered the favorites to land him. Another waiver claim in which the player was awarded to the claiming team trying to block a trade was Jose Canseco when he went to the Yankees. I believe it was from TB. That was an entirely different circumstance than Griffey though. His contract was up at the end of the season, and he rotted on the Yankees bench.

QUOTE(BlackBetsy @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 08:18 AM) Well, let's think about who might claim him to block the trade....note, this is not where Griffey would be WILLING to go (just teams that would be willing to take on his salary, a la Canseco/Yankees a few years ago). National League (goes first, in order of waiver claim): Colorado - May not be willing to take on salary, but could claim to get * player Pittsburgh - No chance, too much $$ San Francisco - They could take on $$, could use CF with Grissom done. Dodgers - Salary maxxed out, also have Milton Bradley Arizona- Salary maxxed out. Chicago Cubs - With Patterson out of the picture in CF for now, they could put in a claim. Star power helps with team image. Milwaukee - No chance. San Diego - It's a possibility they put in a claim to get him for stretch run and trade him over the winter, but not really likely. NY Mets - Nope, they have Beltran Florida - Not with salary as is and Pierre in CF Washington - This could work. They have no true centerfielder and are looking for star power for new ownership. They can take on additional salary. Jim Bowden (who acquired Griffey for Cincy) is the GM Philadelphia - Probably not. Houston - Won't take on salary Atlanta - Andruw Jones. Nuff said. St. Louis - Have Edmonds. So, from the NL, I see as possibilities - San Francisco, the Cubs, San Diego and Washington. Here's the AL Order: Kansas City - No chance Tampa Bay - No chance Seattle - Not with all the salary they took on before this year. Detroit - Probably not with the salary taken on before season. Baltimore - Possible. Team needs star power, and has been willing to spend Texas - Unlikely. Minnesota - Yeah right. Carl Pohlad owns them. (They also have Torii Hunter) Toronto - Nope. NY Yankees - Tony Womack is playing CF. They can take on salary. I'd be surprised if they DIDN'T claim him. I'd also be surprised if he agreed to be traded to NY. Cleveland - Not likely to add salary, and have Grady Sizemore in CF. Oakland - No way. Just re-signed Kotsay. LA Angels - Not likely, with Finley in CF. Boston - Not with Damon in CF. So, in the AL, Baltimore and the Yankees are possibilities for a claim. All in all, I'd say there's about a 5% chance he clears waivers to the White Sox. There is not a chance in hell Angelos would take on Griffey's entire contract with his injury history. The Yankees may claim him, but I doubt it unless they have something worked out for a trade. They don't have the money to burn this year, and would be locked into Griffey for a long time. I would be real surprised if Griffey didn't clear waivers. There is too much of an injury history with too much money left on the table.

Griffey waivers can always be revoked. I'm sure he either will be placed on waivers or already has been. And I would bet the owner of the Reds would rather have the money the GM and President of the Reds agreed to pay than the prospects the White Sox were sending back. FWIW, Steve Phillips is taking credit for all the waiver claims being made the past several years. He said he claimed 150 players on waivers in 1997 in order to block trades.

It certainly appears as if the rumor that KW had a deal for Griffey in place before the deadline was true. It's really too bad it didn't happen, because offense is definitely hard to come by these days. In the last nine games the Sox only scored as many as 5 runs in one game. Their record could be even more dominating. I also think Hawk knows more about what's going on than most, and he keeps saying after Rowand makes another spectacular catch, "Where would he play", I think knowing that Griffey coming here isn't happening. Word of advice to Hawk, don't ask where Griffey would play during games where Timo Perez is your DH batting fifth.

QUOTE(SuperSteve @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 03:45 PM) That is such a petty reason IMHO. Its 6 weeks to be with his family, and he was given partial no-trade rights when he signed a contract that was at the time for him well below market value.

If you knew the Sox would score exactly 2 runs in each of these 3 games how many do you think you would have thought they'd have won? Since the 2nd inning of Game 1, the Yankees scored 2 freaking runs.

QUOTE(Steff @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 02:02 PM) Skanks. Lucky him

Jeter gets a lot of chicks.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 01:51 PM) he is not getting his jumps like before. WTF is wrong with scotty. Stealing bases beats you up. Getting 70 last year may even be playing a part. I'm sure everybody who has ever played fantasy baseball knows steals drop as the season goes on.

QUOTE(Brian @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 01:49 PM) Good call by Bruce, Thank you for not f***ing us over. Bruce wants this game to end. He's hungry.

Pods needs to be PH for

QUOTE(HSC's Biggest Fan @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 01:38 PM) Ortiz is not better than Hunter and Radke IMHO. They wouldn't of had to lose both. And he's definitely better than either one.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 01:34 PM) Ortiz in the 9th inning can kill anyone. That guy is just an unbelievable clutch hitter. Thank God the Twins non-tendered him before he figured out how good he was.

My brother lives in Switzerland and this game is on there. Its the second one, the first was the Sweeney game against KC. He must be wondering how the hell the Sox have 73 wins.

QUOTE(GBlum27 @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 01:12 PM) Tadahito Yeah, you're right.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 01:10 PM) What do you think the Yankees are saying of their getting shutout for seven innings against Jose Contreras? Or, seven innings of one run ball against Freddy Garcia? Remember, now, it's all relative. They have guys like A-Rod and Gary Sheffield and Hideki Matsui. In fact, Matsui might be the best hitter if he were put in our lineup. You only think about our side, never what they're thinking about OUR pitching. I was thinking about this last night. I don't think the Sox have a guy who would hit any higher than 6th in the Yankee line up.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 01:07 PM) "filthy" on the K by Garcia. Two down. That's how Torre described the Count's splitter last night.

If Chacon and Small are really as good as their numbers would indicate, the Yankees will make the playoffs.

Anyone can say what they want but if you are going to beat the Angels, A's or Red Sox in the postseason, nevermind the Cardinals or whoever in the NL, you are going to have to score more than 2 or 3 runs a game.